On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:41 PM, jim g <yoj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 23, 12:15 pm, "David Faller" <dfal...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Exactly!  Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into 
>> the "differences as improvements", when, in fact, the differences are only 
>> differences.  Most threadless stems are just ugly.   I suppose some are a 
>> tad lighter, but this was never the reason for the new design.  And what's 
>> all this about threadless being somehow stronger?  Any of you snapped off a 
>> steerer at the stem lately?
>>
>
> This one's certainly not ugly...
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/
>
> And, FWIW, threadless stems (read: non-quill stems that clamp onto the
> fork steerer) go back to the classic French constructeur bikes of the
> 40s/50s -- it's not a new concept.  E.G. this 1947 Alex Singer:
>
> http://reneherse.com/images/DSC_00463.JPG
> http://reneherse.com/images/DSC_00166.JPG
>
> -Jim G

And doesn't velo-orange offer something to go in between these:

http://www.velo-orange.com/vothstad.html

and then combine that with either the nitto or the VO silver/lugged
threadless stem?

-sv

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