Sorry, many things to do and I wasn't able to look at the Pharo list. *Dimitris:*
I really like you idea, and I think it will certainly be better than the videos. I didn't know of Grafoscopio, and I found it interesting too. Do you need someone to test? In latter stages I could try convince some people to try the tutorial too and provide feedback. *Offray:* Thanks for the links, I added them to my read list :) On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 6:40 AM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: > + 1 :) > > share codevelop and expand :) > > Le 27/10/16 à 17:43, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas a écrit : > > Hi Dimitris, > > Goals 1 to 6 overlap with the ones Grafoscopio. Could you test it please > to see if we can work together in some way or Grafoscopio could work as a > foundation for your work? In that way we could break the lonely developer > reality for this one. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 27/10/16 09:00, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > I decided to make a new version for ProfStef released under then name > "Pharo Live Tutorial". > > My goals are to: > 1) add to it a history panel, so the user can navigate to the part he > wants. > 2) group parts into chapters to make progress more clear > 3) break some parts to smaller parts to ensure smooth learning curve > 4) add it to the help section of the world menu , so it is far more > visible to the user > 5) link parts to relevant chapter and section of PBE5 (or any other > relevant book), so the user can easily access more detailed info in case he > wants to. > 6) Design the tool so it can accommodate multiple tutorials, each having > its own chapters and parts > 7) Design a GUI to navigate to tutorials > 8) Integrate it with GTSpotter so the user can easily find the information > he or she wants > 9) Integrate small challenge games to help the user test what he learned > and have fun at the same time, with ability to be awarded with a score in > terms of "levels" and of course badges for achievements ;) > 10) Provide an integrated blog (nothing fancy, just text) , for latest > news about pharo , this blog will be basically copying some of my blog > posts , to show to users that we are alive and kicking and not just an > almost dead project and of course advertise the hard work of many of my > fellow guardians of the light. > > PS: obviously references to Stef will remain and he will be credited as > author of the tutorial > > Can't promise when it will be ready and can't promise first version will > include all the above but this is the direction I want to go with this. > This live interactive tutorial will replace my video tutorials since they > are too hard to keep updated. > > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:04 PM Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> *stepharo:* >> >> Why not pushing/improving >> >> either >> UPBE >> ProfStef >> With the Mooc Counter example: In TWO MINUTES people get >> something DONE a simple counter. >> What else can it be. >> >> >> I run the following experience during my lecture. I give 1 hour >> presentation about pharo / vision / sneakpeek and ask them to watch the >> counter >> video and redo it and it works! >> >> >> Indeed, you can. My opinion was in the lines of improving Profstef :) >> >> Mooc may be good in a class with a teacher for the student to take >> doubts, but I find a little confusing for someone that finds it by its own >> in pharo.org. >> >> I have some friends on the field, some are overseas (I am in Brazil) and >> when the opportunity comes I talk about Smalltalk and Pharo and how good it >> is, then: >> >> 1- Some get interested and asks for reference, I usually point to the >> Proftef, the site and the PBE; >> 2- Some are interested and we are close so I can I explain something >> myself and show the environment, maybe pairing; >> 3- Sometimes someone got interested and went to the pharo.org by itself >> and I know of that only afterwards. >> >> In every situation people got confused :( >> >> The best time was 2, because I could explain better what was going on, >> but usually people try by itself, and that don't went well. For example, >> some report to me that had made the exercise from PBE and got really >> confused in the end: what was that I was doing? Where are my classes again? >> Workspace? Where is the code again? What happened? >> >> I think it is hard for someone that already internalize the concept of >> image and self contained environment to understand why this confusion is >> happening, but when you come to think about it that is not so strange >> because people are used to files and all those crap static stuff, so it is >> kind of a huge paradigm shift learning Pharo: it *is* confusing for >> them. >> >> But it seems to me that you are focusing more on fresh people, been teach >> on classrooms and such, right now. That may be good, I am not sure if >> people already in the industry can be cooped in enough size to be able to >> improve Pharo community and use. >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:21 AM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: >> >> funnily dale I read it like you wish :) >> >> >> >> Le 26/10/16 à 21:53, Dale Henrichs a écrit : >> >> >> >> On 10/26/16 12:13 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> On the issue of contributing to Free, Libre, Open Source Software (FLOSS) >> projects, I have been reading recently Nadia Eghbal and her analysis that >> confirm that most FLOSS projects are done by individuals and small teams, >> which is contrary to the bazaar narrative. This comic shows the point: >> >> and you can find more details here: https://medium.com/@nayafia/ >> what-success-really-looks-like-in-open-source-2dd1facaf91c#.e360z53sf >> >> After skimming the actual article and finding that the points made in the >> article are valid I would have wished that the right panel in the cartoon >> had said "one more pull request before going to bed" since that is closer >> to what the article is about ... an active, community that contributes is >> also an important component and something that Pharo/Smalltalk community >> does indeed have. >> >> Dale >> >> >> >> > >
