On 4/19/19 2:31 PM, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
I just don't think this is practical.

For one, when you're only solution is to reject, the only way to get a signal that you're rejecting the mail wrong is manual review, which is impractical at best, and difficult to correlate with the opinion of the actual receiver.  The spam/not spam signal from users is the best information you have on what your users want, even if the bad actors try to game the signal and a lot of user's use it as a hammer instead of the softer touch.

I agree with the utility of spam folders in general. In the case of webmail you can also deliver to the inbox with a visual indicator of spam before the mail is opened.

Even without these things, often we aren't sure that something's spam, so we rely on the folks always checking their email and clicking spam to inform us on messages we've already received but haven't been looked at yet.

This feedback is only really available for webmail, so you don't need a separate spam folder. If unsure, deliver to inbox with a visual "Suspected spam" flag on the individual message. Mail not flagged as spam should have a clickable "This is spam" or better yet, "Report as spam" button. This should be very distinct from the "Delete" action to minimize false positives, perhaps even with a confirmation dialog box.

Mail that is flagged as spam can have a "This is not spam" button to provide user feedback against false positives.

In other words, you can get the feedback from the recipient as well as flag suspected spam to the recipient without the need for a separate spam folder. Based on that feedback as well as existing other metrics a decision can be made to hard reject similar mail in the future either globally or per recipient.

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Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
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