Hi all, I think a paid screenreader would create an environment like we have in the Windows world, relying on third parties to develop scripts for apps that don't work well out of the box, having to wait for those scripts to be updated if something is broken in an app update, OS update etc. I got tired of this reliance on third parties, and a reliance on scripts in general to make an app accessible. Also having to spend a lot just to get access to the system, was somehting that I'm happy not to see on the mac. Love it that you can just get a Mac, and have access to it right out of the box. . I like Apple's model, as it allows developers to test their apps, just by hitting command-f5, and having knowledge of three or four VO keystrokes. Usually dialog with developers in my experience has been good, some hasn't been as good, but if anything, we can make developers aware of the fact that their app could potentially be made accessible. Regarding later versions of Skype, I'd compare the UI to iTUnes, where you have your source list which in the case of skype, contains items like contacts, and then recent events, such as chats,etc. Then to the right of that table, you have information related to whatever you have selected in that table. I found the skype 5 interface to be a good change, and haven't had the need to use Skype 2.8 since. On 2012-06-26, at 4:27 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:
I am aware. I have troubles with the newer version of Skype. I cannot get it to speak messages in the text window automatically with growl. that and the interface is a bit more confusing. I think I will need someone sighted to help me with the layout when I do get around to it. -eric On Jun 26, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi. > I'm sure you do realize that there is a newer version of Skype available? > This version has that keystroke. > > > On 2012-06-25, at 11:14 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: > >> that key assignment was not set as default and in Skype 2.8 (which I use on >> OS X 10.6) it doesn't even show as an assignment at all. I had to use a mute >> Skype script. also, I have to set Skype to auto-answer as there doesn't >> appear to be any way I can access the answer dialog (I know, I have tried >> every method available here and no joy). >> >> -eric >> >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> What's wrong with pressing command shift M to mute Skype? >>> On 2012-06-25, at 8:39 PM, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>>> applescript is as (if not more) powerful than the scripting interface for >>>> jaws. since it is built-on to OS X, you can do a lot more with it than you >>>> could in windows with jaws scripts. Apple scripts can be set up as system >>>> services, application interfaces or even assigned to shortcuts. I use one >>>> such to allow me to mute the mic in Skype. I am not sure you can do this >>>> with jaws. anyway, that is my take on applescripts and OS X. at least, OS >>>> X is designed with accessibility in mind (of which windows is not). >>>> >>>> -eric >>>> >>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 2:57 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote: >>>> >>>>> VoiceOver has grown very fast in the last 3 years. Wait until Next OS is >>>>> released, there are going to be nice surprises on accessibility. I have >>>>> being working with tables in pages lastly and there is always a work >>>>> around things. Why don't somebody, instead of creating a separated screen >>>>> reader, makes Apple scripts to solve some issues? I think that VoiceOver >>>>> y very powerful in combination with Applescript. >>>>> >>>>> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. >>>>> MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. >>>>> EN TWITTER: @macneticos >>>>> NUESTRO BLOG EN: >>>>> www.macneticus.blogspot.com >>>>> Y EL PODCAST EN:` >>>>> http://macneticos.libsyn.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> El 25/06/2012, a las 20:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribió: >>>>> >>>>>> Whole heartedly! agree. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Ray Foret Jr >>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:42 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option? >>>>>> >>>>>> Couldn't be more wrong. Why you want to make the Mac more like clunky >>>>>> crashy windows? It's not up to the screen reader to make things more >>>>>> accessible with more and more scripts which you have to keep up with; >>>>>> rather, that's up to the app developers. That's how it is in the Mac >>>>>> world. FS make a Mac screen reader? Are you seriously kidding me? No >>>>>> way it ain't gonna happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> GWMicro neither. They already have enough on their plate worying about >>>>>> windows type stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype name: >>>>>> barefootedray >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:08 AM, William Windels wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal >>>>>>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the >>>>>>> mac platform. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of >>>>>>> the screenreader voiceover with the osx. >>>>>>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and >>>>>>> the function-keys with the spoken values. >>>>>>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with >>>>>>> voiceover support everywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is >>>>>>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also >>>>>>> iWork's aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there >>>>>>> are several usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some >>>>>>> ellements of the os , like >>>>>>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to >>>>>>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they >>>>>>> are in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a >>>>>>> comfortable way. >>>>>>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with >>>>>>> voiceover... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's >>>>>>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be >>>>>>> very welcome I think. >>>>>>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to >>>>>>> use all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps >>>>>>> it should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster >>>>>>> speed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet? >>>>>>> I see 2 reasons for this: >>>>>>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple >>>>>>> should have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the >>>>>>> external screenreader. >>>>>>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the >>>>>>> mac while there is one built in. >>>>>>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility >>>>>>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other >>>>>>> companies like gw micro, freedom scientific, baum... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome. >>>>>>> kind regards, >>>>>>> William Windels >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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