Hi again guys. 
Besides, we should remember that Apple, compared say to Windows screen reader 
writers, has been at this for a much shorter time. They've made incredible 
progress in the time they've been at it. Another little while will show some 
more progress. 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jun 25, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Whole heartedly! agree.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Foret Jr
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?
> 
> Couldn't be more wrong.  Why you want to make the Mac more like clunky crashy 
> windows?  It's not up to the screen reader to make things more accessible 
> with more and more scripts which you have to keep up with; rather, that's up 
> to the app developers.  That's how it is in the Mac world.  FS make a Mac 
> screen reader?  Are you seriously kidding me?  No way it ain't gonna happen.
> 
> GWMicro neither.  They already have enough on their plate worying about 
> windows type stuff.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:08 AM, William Windels wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal 
>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac 
>> platform.
>> 
>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the 
>> screenreader voiceover with the osx.
>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the 
>> function-keys with the spoken values.
>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with 
>> voiceover support everywhere.
>> 
>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is 
>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also iWork's 
>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there are several 
>> usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os , 
>> like 
>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to navigate 
>> e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are in a table 
>> and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way.
>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with 
>> voiceover...
>> 
>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's 
>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be very 
>> welcome I think.
>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use 
>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites.  Perhaps it 
>> should push apple  to make their screenreader better on a faster speed.
>> 
>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet?
>> I see 2 reasons for this:
>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple should 
>> have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external 
>> screenreader.
>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac 
>> while there is one built in.  
>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility 
>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like gw 
>> micro, freedom scientific, baum...
>> 
>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome.
>> kind regards,
>> William Windels
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