Hello, thx very much for your comments. I am not against mac and voiceover at all but, of today, I have to conclude that I can't work with my mac only in a windows/mac based environment for a administrative job. Numbers09 is not a equivalent to excel 2007/2010: les navigation options, les powerfull brailleoutput on the mac, some missing compatibility options. Pages is not fully accessible and specially when you have tables in the document. You have also ms office for the mac but I think this is very unaccessible and it won't become accessible in the near future.
Also, on a windows platform, You have the choice: if something don't works well with jaws, it works perhaps better with window-eyes or cobra. On the mac, there is only one screenreader with no commercial pressure of the customers and they aren't dependent from other companys. After reading your comments and writing this, it could be a solution if Apple should release a new version of iWork's with accessible pages and numbers so we can do what others are doing in windows or on the mac. kind regards, William Windels Op 25-jun.-2012, om 14:52 heeft Matthew Campbell het volgende geschreven: > Hi. > Adding to what Ray said, It doesn't seem really that necessary for there to > be a 3rd party screen reading option for the Mac. Something like that will > probably cost $10000 or something else ridiculous and there will probably be > an SMA every version or so for another $1000. > It seems like there's a lot of improvements to VO coming down the pipeline in > Mountain Lion. Maybe they will fix some of the minor annoyances with > VoiceOver. > > > On 2012-06-25, at 8:42 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >> Couldn't be more wrong. Why you want to make the Mac more like clunky >> crashy windows? It's not up to the screen reader to make things more >> accessible with more and more scripts which you have to keep up with; >> rather, that's up to the app developers. That's how it is in the Mac world. >> FS make a Mac screen reader? Are you seriously kidding me? No way it >> ain't gonna happen. >> >> GWMicro neither. They already have enough on their plate worying about >> windows type stuff. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >> Skype name: >> barefootedray >> >> On Jun 25, 2012, at 7:08 AM, William Windels wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> After working for more than 3 years with the mac , it's my personal >>> opinionthat more basic programs are accessible on windows then on the mac >>> platform. >>> >>> I find it more stable to work on the mac because of the integration of the >>> screenreader voiceover with the osx. >>> The fact that the hardware is also adapted for us by the trackpad and the >>> function-keys with the spoken values. >>> And of course the flexible way we can install , manage the system with >>> voiceover support everywhere. >>> >>> However, we can't e.g. configure dropbox with voiceover while this is >>> possible on windows, office programs like microsoft office and also iWork's >>> aren't fully accessible with lay-out tasks, in my opinion there are several >>> usability issues with the browsers on the mac, some ellements of the os , >>> like >>> Tables, on websites and on numbers and pages, are very difficult to >>> navigate e.g. you can't search for edit-fields on websites while they are >>> in a table and in pages, you can't work with tables on a comfortable way. >>> the icon's on the status bar, can't be reached on a normal way with >>> voiceover... >>> >>> My conclusion: a paid screenreader for the mac that makes program's >>> accessible with scripts (like screen readers on windows do), should be very >>> welcome I think. >>> With this kind of optional screenreader, blind users should be able to use >>> all the equivalents on the mac of their windows favorites. Perhaps it >>> should push apple to make their screenreader better on a faster speed. >>> >>> Why such screenreader doesn't exist yet? >>> I see 2 reasons for this: >>> 1. Apple should not be happy with this and the screenreader of apple should >>> have more possibilities to integrate with the os then the external >>> screenreader. >>> 2. Other communities don't see a reason to make a screenreader for the mac >>> while there is one built in. >>> If it should be the second reason, any people with accessibility >>> frustrations on the mac , should communicate this to other companies like >>> gw micro, freedom scientific, baum... >>> >>> Any opinions about this meanings should be very welcome. >>> kind regards, >>> William Windels >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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