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lew On 26 Dec 2011, at 20:35, M. Taylor wrote: > Amen, Ricardo, Amen. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:36 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast > > Hi guys, > > I'm thinking a subject change might be in order here? lol > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Dec 26, 2011, at 6:32 AM, Massimo Vettoretti wrote: > >> In data Domenica 25 Dicembre 2011 21.02.32, Anne Robertson > <a...@anarchie.org.uk> ha scritto: >>> First of all, I wouldn't use Pages to simply read through a document. > TextEdit works much better for this. >> Pages is a word processing application. It means, at least to me, it is > something I must be able to use to write a document, but also to read it. > Why in 2011-2012 should I use 2 different applications to accomplish 2 very > related task (writing and reading)? It is a non-sense, at least for me. >>> As for knowing whether a note is present, if you interact with a page, VO > says "3 items" normally, for header, body and footer, but if there's a text > box present, it says "4 items". >> Too complicated. What is needed is a way to know if in a given paragraph a > note reference is present and, if it is, I have to be able to read its > content without leaving the text area. In Microsoft Word, using JAWS, if I > am reading a text paragraph by paragraph, the screen reader says "X > reference present"; the same if I am reading line by line. If I want, I can > have the notes read out or I can skip them if I do not care about them. The > same for heading. I do not want to go around the screen to discover relevant > informations, I want the screen reader to report them to me, when and if I > need. We are not talking about Plato's dialogs, about philosophy, we are > talking about software and features. I do really welcome differences in ways > a task can be accomplished, but efficence should be the most important > criteria to be considered. >>> >>> As I said before, simply reading through a document is better done using > TextEdit. >> And as I said before, Pages must be a confortable work environment for > writing and editing, and for reading. My mother, wich is sighted, doesn't > switch between Pages and text edit: she just open the document she wants, > and she uses it. The same result is possible for me when I work under > Windows. The same must be possible for all of us when working under MacOSX. >>> Also, what do you call a productive environment? I work as a professional > translator and Pages works fine for me. >> I am working with a collegue and friend on a very long and complex book > about science history. He works under Windows, I would like to work under > MacOSX. The book will contain many many notes, some pics, a number of cross > references and tables. I need to read his work to check out if the notes are > in the correct place and to be sure the formatting is consistent. Of > course, i need to add my parts to his work. I need to be sure the titles and > subtitles have the correct hierarchical level and are properly formatted. I > need to be sure the lists are properly marked and formatted. And I want the > screen reader to give me those information while scanning the text, I do not > want to be forced to scan the text to glean what I need going around the > Pages' interface. Those features are very possible to implement and, if they > are, they will not change your way to accomplish your work, but tey'll make > mine easier. I sent many many request to Apple Accessibility and reported > bugs over and over. But nothing has changed. Voice Over Braille support > remains absolutely insufficient, advanced word processing is poorly > supported, minimaly advanced spreadsheet manipulation is problematicaly > complicated and the new fantastic and long awaited international voices are > in need of a intense and deep psychoanalytic support, 'cause they are having > some gender difficulties. Let's wait and hope, because, as we say in Italy, > hope is the last to die! :) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > Mr. L. 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