Hello all, I global , I find mac and voiceover very nice to work with, more stable then a windows-system and jaws or window-eyes and indeed, a lot of the programs are useful: twitter, textedit, vmware, iTunes, garageband (I don't use it at the moment), pages , a little bit numbers and key note but that isn't very useful for productivity I think. Further: pear note, to take notes in combination with the record of the notes and perhaps some other programs I forgot. Also, the trackpad with vo, time-machine, are great tools. But , there are also some disadvantages: - a slow way of updating : 1 big update in 2 years. (the braille bug in the beginning of safari5 was solved after some months) but, braille in global on the mac is worse than with most screen readers I think. I mean: adjusting controls with a custom braille label, moving around the screen without any limitation. The most windows-screemreaders are doing faster... - tables in pages aren't still accessible after asking for a long time by many people. (this means that you need sometimes sighted assistance or a windows computer with screenreader). - also , tables in safari aren't not always very confortable to work with. - selecting text on safari: there is no way that always works I think while on windows with a screenreader, it's the shift-key +arrow keys. - the drag and drop function in Lion was presented as a new feature for voiceover users while it was introduced in 10.6 but it has never worked. In my opinion, that's not a new feature but a bug fix and after a long time... - the problems with the voices of nuance in Lion aren't still solved and are true for different languages.
Of course, this is all for free but it's also the only screenreader available on the mac. It would be a good idea I think if : apple should come with more faster updates with new functions (not necessary for free. If another screenreader should come on the mac with other advantages. This are my opinions. Kind regards, William Op 24-dec.-2011, om 02:39 heeft Missy Hoppe het volgende geschreven: > This is a very well-worded message, and I really appreciate your words of > wisdom. I agree completely with nearly everything > you've said. Every once in a while, I still find myself wondering if my > macbook was a wise investment, but I do find myself > enjoying it a little more with every passing week, and am now to the point > where I will turn it on at least once a day, even > if it's only to check for software updates. I'm a bit frustrated that there > aren't any really good word processing options; > even text edit is a bit more complicated than I'd like, but I agree with you > about twitter, saphari, etc. I think that at > heart, I'm always going to be a windows gal, but that's mostly because I've > had well over20 years experience in windows, DOS, > etc, and I've only been using a mac since June of this year. So while I might > always be more inclined towards using my PC, > I'm beginning to appreciate the mac and am having fun learning how to use it. > Thanks for such a great message, and I hope that you're having a great day! > Missy > > -----Original Message----- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Victor Tsaran > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:26 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: My thoughts regarding the latest "VoiceOver On" podcast > > Hello "VoiceOver On" guys and everyone else on the list, First of all, I'll > start by saying that I am not a Mac fan or > anything-one else's, for that matter. I am only a fan of myself, <just > kidding>. > I just wanted to share a couple of my thoughts regarding the latest > "VoiceOver On" podcast because, unfortunately, Twitter's > 140-character limit is way too limiting for my taste and for the purpose of > this message. :) > > 1. I think you are correct in saying that many people forget to ask > themselves what they want to do with the computer. This > often leads to uninformed decisions and, subsequently, unjustified or > unnecessary purchases. We all in some ways affected by > our friends's opinions, buzz words and commercials. Regardless, we need to > learn to ask those questions so we do not regret > our technology choices that will only slow us down and make less productive. > After all, a computer with an operating system > on it are just tools to help us live our lives like everyone else does . > > 2. Is VoiceOver a bad screen reader? Not at all, IMHO. Is it the best? Of > course, not. At times VO feels like a work-around > altogether, while at other time sit feels like the most innovative screen > reader on the market. It really has both. > > Pros: > - VoiceOver has a pretty good built-in help which most users probably never > read. > - VO is a pretty flexible screen reader, especially on Lion, EG through the > "Activities" feature. > - Good support for Mail, chat, Calendar, basic text editing with TextEdit, > Webkit-based browsers (Chrome, Safari, Lightning, > iCab etc). > - A consistent support for applications that are designed wit accessibility > in mind, EG "YoruFukurou Twitter client" and many > others. > > Cons: > - Too complicated system of shortcuts. However, Quicknav and Trackpad > navigation eliminates the need for many of of those > shortcuts. > - Does not provide efficient environment with production applications like > Pages, Keynote and Numbers. > - Apple doesn't do a good job of promoting VoiceOver and/or interface with > the the end-user. > > If I had to pick one of the most innovative features of VoiceOver that will > have a profound impact on how blind people > interact with technology in the near future, it would be the "Trackpad > Commander". I understand this particular tool may not > appeal to the generation of users who are fairly firm in their computing > habits but those young and adventurous should be > taught to give up their keyboards, especially for exploration purposes. > > 3. So, what's the problem and why VoiceOver doesn't let me be productive? > This is where I feel the podcast participants lead us down the wrong path of > thinking. Instead of blaming everything on > VoiceOver, we should instead concentrate our efforts on applications > themselves. > A good example would be the following: Pages and Keynote are not accessible > because of VoiceOver but primarily because their > developers, yes, Apple, did not expose the right accessibility interface to > VoiceOver. If you removed all the JAWS scripts > from the JAWS application directory, you would, to your surprise, quickly > find out that most of the Windows applications you > thought were accessible actually are not. > > I know that NVDA developers expressed a similar concern on several > occasions, namely, that blind users tend to blame their > screen reader first before they blame the application itself. > And you know what? I completely understand why users do this. A regular user > does not have any insights into what makes their > computing experience accessible. Since they interface with the computer via a > screen reader, if something goes wrong, the > screen reader is to blame. > So, we simply need more education. And this is where I wish the podcast > authors could spend more time and energy. > > In summary, it is correct to say that newcomers to technology should first > familiarize themselves wit choices available on > the market and decide which ones are the most suitable to their needs. > It is , however, totally wrong to blame everything on VoiceOver and blame the > lack of productivity tools on the screen reader > at hand. > > Just FYI, here is what I use my Mac for and the kinds of apps that serve me > well. > - YoruFukurou client for Twitter. > - Textedit for wordprocessing. > - Chrome and Safari for web browsing. > - Mail and iCal for my corporate needs. > - Garage Band, VLC and iTunes for music. > - XCode and Dashcode for programming. > - Cyberduck for FTP uploads and downloads. > - Terminal for all the Unix-related stuff (geeky). > - VMWare 4 with Windows 7 if I ever need to jump into Windows for testing or > otherwise. > > How is this not a productive environment? 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