On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:18:51PM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color > swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to > dismiss the color select dialog to continue working. If we cannot come > up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie. I > wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to > having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they > inadvertently left clicked the color button? This may be a case of > ignorance being bliss.
Pfft, you always hear users howling. :P Did you see the suggestion in the thread to move the color boxes to the other side to avoid accidental clicks? FWIW I don't think I've ever accidentally clicked one of them. > > On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > > FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with > > KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how > > things work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, > > graphics, etc): > > > > http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png > > > > -Jon > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com > > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > By the way. > > > > https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421 > > <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421> > > > > Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty conclusive > > right now ;) > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > > Sent to wrong recipient. > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: > > > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > > > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting > > the user know > > > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click > > would allow > > > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it > > looks great. I > > > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much > > cleaner > > > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the > > proper way > > > > > >> to handle events. > > > > > > > > > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them > > for long > > > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning > > who never > > > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the > > buttons to > > > > > > make them work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its > > selection > > > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? > > > > > > > > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the > > active layer or to change the color layer. > > > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". > > > > > > > > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: > > > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the > > working layer. > > > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, > > whatever you are clicking. > > > > > > > > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the > > color, then a single left click should > > > > > open the color dialog. > > > > > > > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer > > manager. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, > > when clicking inside the layer > > > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the > > active layer, especially if you are too > > > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of > > the mouse. > > > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was > > opening the dialog) > > > > > > > > > > A wise decision is never obvious. > > > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a > > good reason. > > > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) > > > > > > > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make an > > > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color > > well, and > > > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't > > kicad. > > > > > > > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other > > applications is > > > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in KiCad". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: > > > > > >>> Hi, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in > > Linux under new > > > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411 > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, > > since they > > > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button > > affordance > > > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was > > invisible, so it > > > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> * Linux as it was: > > > > > >>> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view > > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view> > > > > > >>> * OSX as it was: > > > > > >>> > > > > https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png > > > > <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot%202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png> > > > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic > > out of the > > > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other > > clients, for > > > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with > > Bind for > > > > > >>> consistency in that file. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> John > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > >> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > > > > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > > > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jean-Pierre CHARRAS > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
