Why don't I remember that? It must not have been that way for very long. In any event, I'm actually fine with changing it to a single left click. We could always undo it if user's absolutely hate it.
On 2/21/2017 1:43 PM, Simon Wells wrote: > there was a time where it was single click changes colour and there > were no complaints that i saw. JP changed it without consultation or > comment on the list > > On 22 February 2017 at 07:30, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: >>> Yeah, this is going to be a problem any time there is a situation where >>> KiCad does it differently than "the standard", but has been doing it that >>> way forever. No easy fix that pleases both the old users and the new >>> users. Other open source software has had this problem too (GIMP, etc) >> >> A part of me really wants to fork KiCad, spend a year or so removing ALL >> these silly KiCadisms that "users will howl about", and release it as a >> new de-crustified project with the understanding that everything will be >> different because everything was stupid before. I bet *checks sofa* >> $3.24 that users would flock to it. >> >> Sadly, that part of me lives in a fantasy world where days have 48 hours >> and I get paid megabucks to sit on my butt. >> >>> >>> My own thoughts on the matter are that I want to never have to change layer >>> using the layer picker, and always have it hidden. Based on the behavior >>> of other tools I have used, I think that it is possible to greatly reduce >>> the need to manually change layers, and especially to do so with the mouse >>> rather than a hotkey. >>> >>> -Jon >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color >>>> swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to >>>> dismiss the color select dialog to continue working. If we cannot come >>>> up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie. I >>>> wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to >>>> having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they >>>> inadvertently left clicked the color button? This may be a case of >>>> ignorance being bliss. >>>> >>>> On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>> FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with >>>>> KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how >>>>> things work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, >>>>> graphics, etc): >>>>> >>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png >>>>> >>>>> -Jon >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> By the way. >>>>> >>>>> https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>> manager/5421 <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>> manager/5421> >>>>> >>>>> Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty >>>> conclusive >>>>> right now ;) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>> > Sent to wrong recipient. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: >>>>> > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : >>>>> > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh >>>> wrote: >>>>> > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting >>>>> the user know >>>>> > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click >>>>> would allow >>>>> > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it >>>>> looks great. I >>>>> > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much >>>>> cleaner >>>>> > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the >>>>> proper way >>>>> > > > >> to handle events. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them >>>>> for long >>>>> > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning >>>>> who never >>>>> > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the >>>>> buttons to >>>>> > > > > make them work. >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its >>>>> selection >>>>> > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the >>>>> active layer or to change the color layer. >>>>> > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: >>>>> > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>> working layer. >>>>> > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, >>>>> whatever you are clicking. >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>> color, then a single left click should >>>>> > > > open the color dialog. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer >>>>> manager. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, >>>>> when clicking inside the layer >>>>> > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the >>>>> active layer, especially if you are too >>>>> > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of >>>>> the mouse. >>>>> > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was >>>>> opening the dialog) >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > A wise decision is never obvious. >>>>> > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a >>>>> good reason. >>>>> > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) >>>>> > > >>>>> > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make >>>> an >>>>> > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color >>>>> well, and >>>>> > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't >>>>> kicad. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other >>>>> applications is >>>>> > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in >>>> KiCad". >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > >> >>>>> > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: >>>>> > > > >>> Hi, >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in >>>>> Linux under new >>>>> > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: >>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411 >>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411> >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, >>>>> since they >>>>> > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button >>>>> affordance >>>>> > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was >>>>> invisible, so it >>>>> > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> * Linux as it was: >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view >>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view> >>>>> > > > >>> * OSX as it was: >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png >>>>> <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png> >>>>> > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic >>>>> out of the >>>>> > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other >>>>> clients, for >>>>> > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with >>>>> Bind for >>>>> > > > >>> consistency in that file. >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> Cheers, >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> John >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > > > >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>> > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>> > > > >>> >>>>> > > > >> >>>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>> > > > >> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> 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