there was a time where it was single click changes colour and there were no complaints that i saw. JP changed it without consultation or comment on the list
On 22 February 2017 at 07:30, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: >> Yeah, this is going to be a problem any time there is a situation where >> KiCad does it differently than "the standard", but has been doing it that >> way forever. No easy fix that pleases both the old users and the new >> users. Other open source software has had this problem too (GIMP, etc) > > A part of me really wants to fork KiCad, spend a year or so removing ALL > these silly KiCadisms that "users will howl about", and release it as a > new de-crustified project with the understanding that everything will be > different because everything was stupid before. I bet *checks sofa* > $3.24 that users would flock to it. > > Sadly, that part of me lives in a fantasy world where days have 48 hours > and I get paid megabucks to sit on my butt. > >> >> My own thoughts on the matter are that I want to never have to change layer >> using the layer picker, and always have it hidden. Based on the behavior >> of other tools I have used, I think that it is possible to greatly reduce >> the need to manually change layers, and especially to do so with the mouse >> rather than a hotkey. >> >> -Jon >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color >> > swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to >> > dismiss the color select dialog to continue working. If we cannot come >> > up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie. I >> > wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to >> > having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they >> > inadvertently left clicked the color button? This may be a case of >> > ignorance being bliss. >> > >> > On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >> > > FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with >> > > KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how >> > > things work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, >> > > graphics, etc): >> > > >> > > http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png >> > > >> > > -Jon >> > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >> > > <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > >> > > By the way. >> > > >> > > https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >> > manager/5421 <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >> > manager/5421> >> > > >> > > Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty >> > conclusive >> > > right now ;) >> > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >> > > > Sent to wrong recipient. >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >> > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: >> > > > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : >> > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh >> > wrote: >> > > > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting >> > > the user know >> > > > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click >> > > would allow >> > > > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it >> > > looks great. I >> > > > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much >> > > cleaner >> > > > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the >> > > proper way >> > > > > > >> to handle events. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them >> > > for long >> > > > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning >> > > who never >> > > > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the >> > > buttons to >> > > > > > > make them work. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its >> > > selection >> > > > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the >> > > active layer or to change the color layer. >> > > > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: >> > > > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >> > > working layer. >> > > > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, >> > > whatever you are clicking. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >> > > color, then a single left click should >> > > > > > open the color dialog. >> > > > > >> > > > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer >> > > manager. >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, >> > > when clicking inside the layer >> > > > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the >> > > active layer, especially if you are too >> > > > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of >> > > the mouse. >> > > > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was >> > > opening the dialog) >> > > > > > >> > > > > > A wise decision is never obvious. >> > > > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a >> > > good reason. >> > > > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) >> > > > > >> > > > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make >> > an >> > > > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color >> > > well, and >> > > > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't >> > > kicad. >> > > > > >> > > > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other >> > > applications is >> > > > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in >> > KiCad". >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: >> > > > > > >>> Hi, >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in >> > > Linux under new >> > > > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: >> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411 >> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, >> > > since they >> > > > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button >> > > affordance >> > > > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was >> > > invisible, so it >> > > > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> * Linux as it was: >> > > > > > >>> >> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view >> > > <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view> >> > > > > > >>> * OSX as it was: >> > > > > > >>> >> > > https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >> > 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png >> > > <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >> > 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png> >> > > > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic >> > > out of the >> > > > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other >> > > clients, for >> > > > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with >> > > Bind for >> > > > > > >>> consistency in that file. >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> Cheers, >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> John >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >> > > > > > >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >> > > > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >> > > > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >> > > > > > >> Post to : 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