haha your advanced life experience must be getting to you.... you even commented on it when it was last bought up on the list https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg23387.html
On 22 February 2017 at 12:39, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why don't I remember that? It must not have been that way for very > long. In any event, I'm actually fine with changing it to a single left > click. We could always undo it if user's absolutely hate it. > > On 2/21/2017 1:43 PM, Simon Wells wrote: >> there was a time where it was single click changes colour and there >> were no complaints that i saw. JP changed it without consultation or >> comment on the list >> >> On 22 February 2017 at 07:30, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:26:17PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: >>>> Yeah, this is going to be a problem any time there is a situation where >>>> KiCad does it differently than "the standard", but has been doing it that >>>> way forever. No easy fix that pleases both the old users and the new >>>> users. Other open source software has had this problem too (GIMP, etc) >>> >>> A part of me really wants to fork KiCad, spend a year or so removing ALL >>> these silly KiCadisms that "users will howl about", and release it as a >>> new de-crustified project with the understanding that everything will be >>> different because everything was stupid before. I bet *checks sofa* >>> $3.24 that users would flock to it. >>> >>> Sadly, that part of me lives in a fantasy world where days have 48 hours >>> and I get paid megabucks to sit on my butt. >>> >>>> >>>> My own thoughts on the matter are that I want to never have to change layer >>>> using the layer picker, and always have it hidden. Based on the behavior >>>> of other tools I have used, I think that it is possible to greatly reduce >>>> the need to manually change layers, and especially to do so with the mouse >>>> rather than a hotkey. >>>> >>>> -Jon >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can just hear users howling already when they left click the color >>>>> swatch thinking that they are selecting the layer and then have to >>>>> dismiss the color select dialog to continue working. If we cannot come >>>>> up with a better solution, it may be best to leave sleeping dogs lie. I >>>>> wonder how many of the 75% of voters in the poll would response to >>>>> having to dismiss the color selection dialog every time they >>>>> inadvertently left clicked the color button? This may be a case of >>>>> ignorance being bliss. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/21/2017 12:54 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>> FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with >>>>>> KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how >>>>>> things work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, >>>>>> graphics, etc): >>>>>> >>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png >>>>>> >>>>>> -Jon >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:pavlina.ch...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>>> manager/5421 <https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer- >>>>> manager/5421> >>>>>> >>>>>> Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty >>>>> conclusive >>>>>> right now ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>>> > Sent to wrong recipient. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >>>>>> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: >>>>>> > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : >>>>>> > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting >>>>>> the user know >>>>>> > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click >>>>>> would allow >>>>>> > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it >>>>>> looks great. I >>>>>> > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much >>>>>> cleaner >>>>>> > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the >>>>>> proper way >>>>>> > > > >> to handle events. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them >>>>>> for long >>>>>> > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning >>>>>> who never >>>>>> > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the >>>>>> buttons to >>>>>> > > > > make them work. >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its >>>>>> selection >>>>>> > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the >>>>>> active layer or to change the color layer. >>>>>> > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: >>>>>> > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>>> working layer. >>>>>> > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, >>>>>> whatever you are clicking. >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the >>>>>> color, then a single left click should >>>>>> > > > open the color dialog. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer >>>>>> manager. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, >>>>>> when clicking inside the layer >>>>>> > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the >>>>>> active layer, especially if you are too >>>>>> > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of >>>>>> the mouse. >>>>>> > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was >>>>>> opening the dialog) >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > A wise decision is never obvious. >>>>>> > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a >>>>>> good reason. >>>>>> > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make >>>>> an >>>>>> > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color >>>>>> well, and >>>>>> > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't >>>>>> kicad. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other >>>>>> applications is >>>>>> > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in >>>>> KiCad". >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > >>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>> > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: >>>>>> > > > >>> Hi, >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in >>>>>> Linux under new >>>>>> > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: >>>>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411 >>>>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1605411> >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, >>>>>> since they >>>>>> > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button >>>>>> affordance >>>>>> > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was >>>>>> invisible, so it >>>>>> > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> * Linux as it was: >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view >>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/view> >>>>>> > > > >>> * OSX as it was: >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png >>>>>> <https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >>>>> 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png> >>>>>> > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic >>>>>> out of the >>>>>> > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other >>>>>> clients, for >>>>>> > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with >>>>>> Bind for >>>>>> > > > >>> consistency in that file. >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> Cheers, >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> John >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > > > >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>>> > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>>> > > > >>> >>>>>> > > > >> >>>>>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > > > >> Post to : 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