could just turn it into a real table and use a highlight for selected row On 22 February 2017 at 06:56, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yup. I'd probably consider moving the elements around a bit so that > "Select working layer" isn't broken into two sections. > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:54:51PM -0500, Jon Evans wrote: >> FWIW, this is what my expecations were as a new user when I started with >> KiCad (for what would happen with a single left-click) based on how things >> work in other applications with layer managers I have used (ECAD, graphics, >> etc): >> >> http://i.imgur.com/Euh2Gjwl.png >> >> -Jon >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Chris Pavlina <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > By the way. >> > >> > https://forum.kicad.info/t/developer-feedback-poll-layer-manager/5421 >> > >> > Feel free to add your own responses. The results look pretty conclusive >> > right now ;) >> > >> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:40:05AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >> > > Sent to wrong recipient. >> > > >> > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Chris Pavlina wrote: >> > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 05:24:14PM +0100, jp charras wrote: >> > > > > Le 21/02/2017 à 16:07, Chris Pavlina a écrit : >> > > > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:35:34AM -0500, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> > > > > >> My only issue with this change is that the tooltip letting the >> > user know >> > > > > >> that a left button double click or a middle button click would >> > allow >> > > > > >> them to change the color is gone. Other than that, it looks >> > great. I >> > > > > >> like the use of Bind instead of Connect. Bind has a much cleaner >> > > > > >> interface than Connect and according to the wx folks is the >> > proper way >> > > > > >> to handle events. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The tooltip is useless, nobody is going to hover over them for long >> > > > > > enough to see it. I was just talking to someone this morning who >> > never >> > > > > > found the tooltip because he was too busy clicking on the buttons >> > to >> > > > > > make them work. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Every other color well in every other application opens its >> > selection >> > > > > > dialog with a single left click. Why can't ours? >> > > > > >> > > > > First you have to decide if the main purpose is to select the active >> > layer or to change the color layer. >> > > > > The answer will give also the answer to "Why can't ours". >> > > > > >> > > > > For me the answer is not obvious, but my opinion is: >> > > > > the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the working >> > layer. >> > > > > Therefore the single left click should change the layer, whatever >> > you are clicking. >> > > > > >> > > > > If the primary purpose of the layer manager is to select the color, >> > then a single left click should >> > > > > open the color dialog. >> > > > >> > > > This isn't "the layer manager", it's a color well IN the layer manager. >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If the single left click opens the dialog, be sure many times, when >> > clicking inside the layer >> > > > > manager, you will open the dialog, instead of changing the active >> > layer, especially if you are too >> > > > > busy clicking on the window to verify the exact position of the >> > mouse. >> > > > > (It frequently happened to me when the single click was opening the >> > dialog) >> > > > > >> > > > > A wise decision is never obvious. >> > > > > (A reason like "other applications do that" is not necessary a good >> > reason. >> > > > > Each application has its constraints and its compromises) >> > > > >> > > > YES IT IS. Consistency is the single most important way to make an >> > > > interface understandable. A box containing a color is a color well, and >> > > > color wells behave the exact same way in everything that isn't kicad. >> > > > >> > > > Next you'll tell me "File->Open opening a file in other applications is >> > > > not a good reason it shouldn't display a photo of a llama in KiCad". >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> On 2/21/2017 8:04 AM, John Beard wrote: >> > > > > >>> Hi, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> These patches fix the layer/render widget swatches in Linux >> > under new >> > > > > >>> GTK+ toolkits. Fix for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ >> > kicad/+bug/1605411 >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> The patches remove the "button" nature of the swatches, since >> > they >> > > > > >>> weren't actually actuated by a single click, so the button >> > affordance >> > > > > >>> was misleading anyway. Also on OSX, the button was invisible, so >> > it >> > > > > >>> just looked like a flat swatch anyway. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> * Linux as it was: >> > > > > >>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxVhl5qZbpYoZlZPeXV1Q0ttT2s/ >> > view >> > > > > >>> * OSX as it was: >> > > > > >>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274428737/Screen%20Shot% >> > 202016-07-22%20at%2019.40.14.png >> > > > > >>> * Linux after this patch: see attachment >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> This is followed by a refactor to pull the swatch logic out of >> > the >> > > > > >>> layer widget into common, where it can be used by other clients, >> > for >> > > > > >>> example the eeschema display color dialog, if wanted. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> Patch #3 is a simple replacement of old WX Connect with Bind for >> > > > > >>> consistency in that file. >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> Cheers, >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> John >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > >>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > > > > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > >> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > > > > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > > > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Jean-Pierre CHARRAS >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > > > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > > > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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