Okay, we are synced.

Dino

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:35 PM, Joe Touch <to...@strayalpha.com> wrote:
> 
> In the example I gave, I was equating GRE *to* UDP, not saying it ran over 
> UDP, though it can (port 4754, per RFC 8086).
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:15 PM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is no UDP port number assigned for GRE because it does not run over 
>> UDP. It runs DIRECTLY over IP. Check the RFC if you don’t believe me. 
>> 
>> Dino
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 9:29 PM, to...@strayalpha.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is a base case to the recursion, i.e., where logical information 
>>>>>> meets fermions and bosons (literally). But that tells you only that base 
>>>>>> layer; it tells you nothing about the meaning of the headers you see 
>>>>>> inside, e.g., in OSI, they would be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, but in an IP tunnel, 
>>>>>> they could be 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7, with GRE they could be 1,2,3,2,3,4,5,6,7, 
>>>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> An IP tunnel with protocol number 4 is indeed 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7, but LISP 
>>>> (UDP port 4341) UDP tunnels are 1,2,3,4,3,4,5,6,7 and GRE is 
>>>> 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7 because it runs directly over IP with protocol number 47.
>>>> 
>>>> Dino
>>> 
>>> If GRE runs over IP, then it would be the same as IP-over-UDP tunnels:
>>> 
>>> 1,2,3(IP), 4(GRE, since it is a protocol number of IP), 3(IP in GRE), 
>>> 5,6,7, i.e.: 1,2,3,4,3,4,5,6,7
>>> 
>>> It’s all actually relative, though - to the left IP, GRE is layer 4. To the 
>>> right IP, GRE is layer 2.
>>> 
>>> Joe
> 

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