FWIW...

> On Feb 25, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is LISP really part of the Internet Architecture ? I thought (unfortunately)
>> not. E.g.: i don't think i can become an Internet transit ISP without 
>> participating
>> in the "native" BGP routing. "Hey, i don't want these gigantic BGP Internet
>> routing tables, and my customers don't need it. I just want do do LISP".
> 
> LISP isn't really tunnels (if you look really really closely)

Agreed; it’s what I presented to Russ White, et al., in 2006 as a “recursive 
router”. If done correctly (IMO), it makes a network subnet look like a router 
to the rest of the network.

> but to quote Noel "Tunnels were never first class citizens of the Internet 
> architecture". Take it for what's it worth.

I disagree; a tunnel (done correctly) is isomorphic to a link. There’s no 
difference between tunnels and what we already rely on as “L2”.

The flaw is the OSI model assuming layer levels are absolute (they’re relative) 
from all viewpoints (again, relative). There’s a strong equivalence between a 
link, a tunnel, and a router (which, in essence, emulates shared link). And, 
interestingly, forwarding can also be described as recursive tunneling.

Joe
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