In the example I gave, I was equating GRE *to* UDP, not saying it ran over UDP, 
though it can (port 4754, per RFC 8086).

Joe

> On Feb 28, 2022, at 10:15 PM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is no UDP port number assigned for GRE because it does not run over 
> UDP. It runs DIRECTLY over IP. Check the RFC if you don’t believe me. 
> 
> Dino
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 9:29 PM, to...@strayalpha.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2022, at 8:00 PM, Dino Farinacci <farina...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a base case to the recursion, i.e., where logical information 
>>>>> meets fermions and bosons (literally). But that tells you only that base 
>>>>> layer; it tells you nothing about the meaning of the headers you see 
>>>>> inside, e.g., in OSI, they would be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, but in an IP tunnel, 
>>>>> they could be 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7, with GRE they could be 1,2,3,2,3,4,5,6,7, 
>>>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> An IP tunnel with protocol number 4 is indeed 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7, but LISP 
>>> (UDP port 4341) UDP tunnels are 1,2,3,4,3,4,5,6,7 and GRE is 
>>> 1,2,3,3,4,5,6,7 because it runs directly over IP with protocol number 47.
>>> 
>>> Dino
>> 
>> If GRE runs over IP, then it would be the same as IP-over-UDP tunnels:
>> 
>> 1,2,3(IP), 4(GRE, since it is a protocol number of IP), 3(IP in GRE), 5,6,7, 
>> i.e.: 1,2,3,4,3,4,5,6,7
>> 
>> It’s all actually relative, though - to the left IP, GRE is layer 4. To the 
>> right IP, GRE is layer 2.
>> 
>> Joe

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