Hi, I think the definition of a complete 3d game, is when you can look up and down, jump, clime up and down. Not just rely on ramps and stairs etc etc. doom you could only move left and right forwards or backwards. Unless there was a ramp or stairway. That to me is the definition of 3d. Although how you wuld get that in a blind friendly game I have no idea. Unless you changed the tone or other type of graphical level that there is like trebble etc to indicate pitch. To have to many sounds would cause confusion. If such a thing has been done I'd love to get a look at it
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dark Sent: 30 September 2007 17:31 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] game perspectives was Electronic Arts games Hi tom. I know Sarah or Shades don't have the 3D environmental features the way any of the quake varients do, ----- Eg, catwalks, ramps etc. however personally, though the games are single level, I'd count them as 3d because of the use of sound sources in proximity to your character used for movement, just as if you were walking around a flat area yourself encountering different sounds. On the other hand, a game like Sound Rts which lets you examine a large serfice area and many objects, I'd count as 2D. for mainstream gaming, I can think of a couple of titles that have a 3D view, but don't actually involve changes in the elevation of your character, ---- for example the original wolfenstein 3D, or vehicle games like Cyber sled. It's probably just a deffinitional point though, and something we might just have to differ on. then again, perhaps applying site based rules of perspective to audio games isn't such a good idea. I once tried to explain the mechanics of the Galaxy ranger system, ----Eg, you "Get into" a unit to control and fight with it, to a friend of mine who was a big stratogy games fan, and it was actually slightly difficult, sinse obviously in Gr, there is no way (as in mainstream stratogy games), to examine the general board. He was quite intreagued by the idea though. Beware the Grue! Dark. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Electronic Arts games > Hi Dark, > Um... Sarah is actually a 2D FPS game. It has none of the 3D elements > of FPS games like Jedi Knight or Tomb Raider. However, your point is a > good one. a side-scroller like Montezuma's Revenge or SL would be a > nice intro to gaming for the blind, but then they could whip out > something like Tank Commander or Sarah and then show the developers > one of our best FPS titles. Personally, for FPS I would show them > Shades of Doom as the navigation is a bit easier, and I expect the > developers would relate well to a doom style game. > > Dark wrote: >> Hello richard. >> >> Personally, I'd recommend a mixture of genres, some easy which >> members of the general public can pick up, ----- such as superliam, >> but others more difficult and complex. in particular I'd recommend >> Shades of doom or Sarah, ----- particularly Sarah. >> >> Hp games are very current, but more to the point, Sarah is a complex >> 3D >> game >> with a great deal of exploration and different objects to be used. while >> another game, ---- such as superliam, might make a better introduction to >> playing audio games for those who haven't tried before, it might be >> helpful >> to emphasise the fact that visually impared people are both capable of, >> and >> greatly desire to play fully featured complex games. >> >> while this is obvious to everyone here, believe me, in some >> discussions >> I've >> had about audio games with some slightly less enlightened people, this >> has >> been an issue. >> >> Rail racer might also be a nice show off title, given the learning >> curve, complexity of driving, and amount of online tracks and >> competitions. My only miner concern with Rr is that the Day of the >> trifids esque plotline, and the >> hole racing on rails thing might appear slightly exclusivist, ----- I >> will >> admit it slightly worried me when I first saw the write up of the game. >> of >> course, once I played the thing I realized that it was an incredibly good >> game in it's own write, and not just a litle bit of wishful thinking. >> >> beware the Grue! >> >> Dark. >> >> >> --- >> Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >> If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >> http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >> All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the >> list, >> please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > --- > Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] > If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at > http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. > All messages are archived and can be searched and read at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the > list, > please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. 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