I'm still confused why you say Hossenfelder isn't an academic. Scholar.google.com doesn't see it that way: Cited by 5,426. She has recent publications.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of glen Sent: Friday, November 8, 2024 1:19 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die 1. What does "98% binary" even mean? Is that similar to "a little bit pregnant"? >8^D What I infer is you're claiming that 98% of humans are disjointly [fe]male. That's a reasonable estimate. But what's our confidence in that number right now? 1000 years ago? 1000 years from now? It's just not a scientific statement even in its generous form. 2a. As for "trans turning out biological", I'm forced to assume you mean trans-gender because trans-sexual is fairly well understood as biological. It's more than a little irritating when people say "trans" without specifying which one they mean, kinda like assuming research on rodents trans-lates to humans. (Sorry. I couldn't help myself.) 2b. I'll go ahead and assert that individual "choices" of profession are just as biological as everything else. A common refrain amongst the heavier drinkers at ALife conferences is "It's all biology." The decoupling between what some rando on the street asserts as a sociological "choice" and, say, a microorganism following a gradient has neither been demonstrated nor well-justified. For example, I doubt I could have "chosen" to be a professional football player (either meaning of "football"). I also could not have "chosen" to be an astronaut. Arnold Schwarzenegger could not have "chosen" to be POTUS. (Even Harris can't "choose" to be president.) So suffice it to say this certainty you hold about these "choices" seems inflated. Speaking of *admitting* our failures, Sabine fired back at Professor Dave. And Dave fired back at Sabine. It was rewarding for me: https://youtu.be/6P_tceoHUH4 It highlights how sloppy language encourages sloppy comprehension. We're *all* susceptible to it and guilty of it, to greater or lesser extent. But what's important is how we fold it into our world ... or don't. On 11/8/24 09:21, Prof David West wrote: > - the left must admit that sex is 98% binary and gender is nothing more > than an individual choice that may or may not conform to local cultural > 'norms'. Individual choices as to gender deserve no more and no less > attention, and certainly not legal protection, than individual choices as to > profession. (Homosexuality is biological, but independent, so far as we > currently know, of sex determining genes. Trans will probably also turn out > to be biological, but probably only peripherally related to sex-determinant > genes.) -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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