The eastern half of Oregon is hell bent on seceding and annexing to Idaho. Not very receptive to liberal immigration.
davew On Fri, Nov 8, 2024, at 9:55 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > People make fun of the high-speed rail project in California, but it will > first pass through parts of the state that are growing but not yet densely > populated. Real estate there is not out of reach. > California could have a much bigger population and more economic power with > the right policies. Another area I could imagine population growth is > central Oregon like the city of Bend. (High desert like Santa Fe.) Really > most of Oregon is just empty – the question is how to nucleate economic > activity. > > New Mexico is another place where growth could occur, but it is so dependent > on federal funding it will probably have do whatever the Trump administration > wants. I think that could be a problem in the Kennewick, Pasco, and Richland > area of Washington state too, due to PNNL. > > I’m torn whether it is better for people to stay where they are to prevent > their states from going farther right (e.g. Texas), or to help them to head > west. Highly educated women from cities like Austin and Houston come to mind > as potential recruits! > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy > <sroy...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 10:04 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die > Steve > > Just recalled a PBS "skit" (preserved on Youtube) from 2007. Just replace > "Bush" with "Trump". > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Phr5TC_v_g > > Sarbajit > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 11:18 AM steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: >> >> >> Sarbajit wrote: >>> "> ..,The people who voted for him probably do not read Paxton, Arendt or >>> Levitsky and Ziblat ..." >>> The people who voted for him don't read... >>> >>> We have a similar problem in India, the great semi-literate masses have >>> been handed cheap smartp[hiones with cheap data plans so they are connected >>> 24x7 to the Matrix. >>> >> Thank you for this pithy bit of parallax, it cuts at least two ways. >> >> I believe that we 'elites' make the mistake of wanting the >> unwashed/semi-literate/??? masses to share our perspectives (whether we be >> progressive/conservative, liberal/authoritative) and support our vision for >> *their* future. We then get upset when *they* listen to the *other* elites >> rather than us. >> >> I was completely convinced that Kamala & Co had made such a good argument >> for *our* vision of a future for humanity (American Exceptional Centric of >> course) that it would *overwhelmingly* (at least by the margin Trump took >> over Harris but vice-versa) persuade the folks whose future we are hoping to >> define. As it turns out, the *other* camp of elites managed to find the >> right chords to strike, notes to hit to resonate with 74M voters? >> >> I'm probably misusing "elite" here (or at least idiosyncratically) to >> reference those with agency in society above some arbitrary threshold. >> Education, Social Status, Professional/Trade Status, Ability, Insight, all >> combine to support this Agency-in-Context, and even more relevant perhaps is >> the *perception* of Agency? When those who wield >> economic/political/practical power (the wealthy, the successful politician >> or rhetoritician, the champion fighter or consummate craftsman) speak, we >> listen. Trump had Musk and Rogan and Hulk Hogan and the threat/promise of >> "the STRONG people" (Bikers, LEO, Soldiers, Truckers, Cowboys, ... ) while >> Harris had all the big name entertainment talent (except Lee Greenwood?) and >> Academics (except Dennis Prager and 6 other similar wankers) and the >> Generals ( who the rank and file can be taught or reminded to resent) and >> the intelligencia. >> >> I'm still waiting/hoping/ideating on a better way to achieve collective >> emergent "wisdom". Glen's references to the tension between "liberal" >> individuality and any of the extant brands of collectivism (party >> membership, military marshalling, religious faithing, culting, etc) gestures >> in a useful direction. Well formed (if not always understood) variations >> on Swarming (nod to Glen and Marcus) in biology are interesting and maybe >> the best route in, but I'm still stalled and the smash into a new era of >> explicit Trumpism is distracting me, even if it somehow forces the parallax >> I'm missing. >> >> Mumble, >> >> - Steve >> >> .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / >> ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... > --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > *Attachments:* > • smime.p7s
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