Maybe so. JD Vance pivoted to what his people wanted to hear. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com> Date: Monday, November 11, 2024 at 9:39 AM To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] hyperbole (was Re: How democracies die)
Right. And Dave agrees that the overwhelming majority of her content is good ... great, even. But take a look at the measures: views, likes, etc. And take a look at the frequency with which the clickbait (thumbnails and titles) changes over time. Steve's slow distancing matches my own, not really because of "the algorithm", but I actively started ignoring her. She's in the pipeline. If she doesn't change her trajectory, I predict she'll be an anti-woke warrior tribe member right up there with JD Vance ... maybe leaning more towards Scott Aaronson or Scott Alexander ... let's hope, anyway. On 11/11/24 08:28, Marcus Daniels wrote: > The video about how she failed at being an academic I think is informative. > It isn’t a technical video – she has those too –one is not universal, but > also not a implausible story about the experience about how it is to raise > money to support research. A grad student might watch that and say to > themselves, “Do I really want that life? Do I want to be this bitter?” “Maybe > I should monetize videos of my cat on YouTube?” > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of steve smith > <sasm...@swcp.com> > *Date: *Monday, November 11, 2024 at 8:16 AM > *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] hyperbole (was Re: How democracies die) > > > glen wrote: >> ... > >> The complaint against Sabine and many in the wacko pipeline is that >> their wacko content gets more views. And more views means more money. >> Her boring videos don't get as much traffic as her wacko videos. So >> she's incentivized toward the wacko. She's not defying any rules. >> She's caught up in the forcing structure, obeying the rule even if she >> doesn't want to. And that means she *is* doing her job, profiting off >> clickbait and misinformation. It's just not the job of an academic. > > When Sabine blossomed as an entertaining source of parallax on topics I > was interested in I must have watched at least parts of at least a dozen > of her pieces and appreciated, well, the *parallax* of it... but in > fact, the thumbs and the titles and some of the content was in fact > hyperbolic at least in style... and it got old and I rarely click > through, though I think I still accept that if Sabine is "going on" > about something it might mean there is a "there there" even if she isn't > going to help me understand it straight. > > Which jiggers me sideways (slantweiz?) over to Emily Dickenson's poem: > "Tell all the truth but tell it slant". > > What is it about language and truth which maybe sometimes needs to be > "snuck up on"? Or is that just a romanticized misdirection? > > The various (coupled?) recommenders (Google News, YouTube, Ground News) > in my world have finally come to marginalize her work with me, only > tossing it up only when some combination of conditions occur. I want to > describe it as the "trajectory of my attention intersecting some > high-dimensional manifold" but this is even more incomplete in my minds > eye than many of the things I share here already. I also want to (and > therefore apparently am) overlay the idiom of fractality and attractors, > as if the "sneaking up" has something to do with slowing down and being > careful about the "trajectory" in this high-dimensional conceptual phase > space? > > What is the "delta-V" of conceptual space? Is it a continuum, a metric > space, or topological? I suppose I've gone "full slant" here... so I > have to wonder what *my* forcing rules are? > >> >> On 11/9/24 14:52, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Ah, she’s a scholar but not an academic. I think that would make >>> DeepMind researchers not academics either, or researchers that work >>> for organizations like Petrobras (even though they publish). That >>> just says to me that academics aren’t hyperbolic in informal >>> communication not because they fear for their credibility, but >>> because they are afraid to antagonize the kind of social network that >>> funds them. Graeme Smith comes to mind as someone that makes >>> hyperbolic statements on social media relevant to his field but is an >>> academic in the sense you mean. >>> >>> Another reason I could see academics don’t speak freely is because >>> they risk their rewarding gigs as advisors in the judicial or >>> executive activities of government. Everyone has politics to >>> navigate, but I appreciate it when people like Sabine defy the rules. >>> >>> *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen >>> <geprope...@gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 2:27 PM >>> *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >>> *Subject: *[FRIAM] hyperbole (was Re: How democracies die) >>> >>> Maybe my use of the word is too constrained. I tend to use it as I >>> think Sabine (and Eric Weinstein and maybe Stephan Wolfram) use it. >>> I.e. they claim they're not part of it. So why shouldn't I believe >>> them? As in the people within the academy, *some* type of institution >>> that combines teaching with research. That would include pretty much >>> anything with the *.edu on the end. SFI is on the outer edge. >>> Heterodox Academy is even closer to the edge ... or perhaps just >>> barely outside of it. Something like Prager University is definitely >>> outside of it. The *primary* aspect of my conception is >>> grantsmanship, which is a hallmark of non-profit activities. If it's >>> a for profit enterprise, it's difficult for me to consider it "the >>> academy". >>> >>> But I suppose I could loosen my definition and consider relatively >>> independent science communicators like Sabine or Neil deGrasse Tyson >>> as peri-academics (or maybe even para-academics). Then it would be a >>> short hop to, say, fossil fuel lobbyists. There's some kind of >>> slippery slope, here. And that's why I like to stick to grantsmanship >>> for academicy stuff. (It also applies to other non-profits ... or the >>> hunt for a sugar momma, even ... patronage. But academics, because >>> they're also scholars, have a more sedate and systematic matrix to >>> navigate.) >>> >>> The other element that separates people like Neil deGrasse Tyson or >>> Professor Dave or Angela Collier from people like Sabine is that they >>> engage in less hyperbole. My experience with serious academics is >>> they don't run around yelling things like "Science is Dying". >>> Academics tend to be more measured, restrained, particular, and a bit >>> boring. Of course, as they age out, they go a bit batsh¡t. It seems >>> to me emeriti engage in more hyperbole than working academics. >>> >>> So long story short: Sabine's not an academic because she doesn't >>> spend her time writing grants. And she's not an academic because too >>> much of her work product is hyperbolic. >>> >>> On 11/8/24 22:33, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> I'm still confused why you say Hossenfelder isn't an academic. >>>> Scholar.google.com doesn't see it that way: Cited by 5,426. She >>>> has recent publications. >>> -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. 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