I believe a space can be all of those. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Nov 11, 2024, 9:15 AM steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > glen wrote: > > ... > > > The complaint against Sabine and many in the wacko pipeline is that > > their wacko content gets more views. And more views means more money. > > Her boring videos don't get as much traffic as her wacko videos. So > > she's incentivized toward the wacko. She's not defying any rules. > > She's caught up in the forcing structure, obeying the rule even if she > > doesn't want to. And that means she *is* doing her job, profiting off > > clickbait and misinformation. It's just not the job of an academic. > > When Sabine blossomed as an entertaining source of parallax on topics I > was interested in I must have watched at least parts of at least a dozen > of her pieces and appreciated, well, the *parallax* of it... but in > fact, the thumbs and the titles and some of the content was in fact > hyperbolic at least in style... and it got old and I rarely click > through, though I think I still accept that if Sabine is "going on" > about something it might mean there is a "there there" even if she isn't > going to help me understand it straight. > > Which jiggers me sideways (slantweiz?) over to Emily Dickenson's poem: > "Tell all the truth but tell it slant". > > What is it about language and truth which maybe sometimes needs to be > "snuck up on"? Or is that just a romanticized misdirection? > > The various (coupled?) recommenders (Google News, YouTube, Ground News) > in my world have finally come to marginalize her work with me, only > tossing it up only when some combination of conditions occur. I want to > describe it as the "trajectory of my attention intersecting some > high-dimensional manifold" but this is even more incomplete in my minds > eye than many of the things I share here already. I also want to (and > therefore apparently am) overlay the idiom of fractality and attractors, > as if the "sneaking up" has something to do with slowing down and being > careful about the "trajectory" in this high-dimensional conceptual phase > space? > > What is the "delta-V" of conceptual space? Is it a continuum, a metric > space, or topological? I suppose I've gone "full slant" here... so I > have to wonder what *my* forcing rules are? > > > > > On 11/9/24 14:52, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> Ah, she’s a scholar but not an academic. I think that would make > >> DeepMind researchers not academics either, or researchers that work > >> for organizations like Petrobras (even though they publish). That > >> just says to me that academics aren’t hyperbolic in informal > >> communication not because they fear for their credibility, but > >> because they are afraid to antagonize the kind of social network that > >> funds them. Graeme Smith comes to mind as someone that makes > >> hyperbolic statements on social media relevant to his field but is an > >> academic in the sense you mean. > >> > >> Another reason I could see academics don’t speak freely is because > >> they risk their rewarding gigs as advisors in the judicial or > >> executive activities of government. Everyone has politics to > >> navigate, but I appreciate it when people like Sabine defy the rules. > >> > >> *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen > >> <geprope...@gmail.com> > >> *Date: *Saturday, November 9, 2024 at 2:27 PM > >> *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> > >> *Subject: *[FRIAM] hyperbole (was Re: How democracies die) > >> > >> Maybe my use of the word is too constrained. I tend to use it as I > >> think Sabine (and Eric Weinstein and maybe Stephan Wolfram) use it. > >> I.e. they claim they're not part of it. So why shouldn't I believe > >> them? As in the people within the academy, *some* type of institution > >> that combines teaching with research. That would include pretty much > >> anything with the *.edu on the end. SFI is on the outer edge. > >> Heterodox Academy is even closer to the edge ... or perhaps just > >> barely outside of it. Something like Prager University is definitely > >> outside of it. The *primary* aspect of my conception is > >> grantsmanship, which is a hallmark of non-profit activities. If it's > >> a for profit enterprise, it's difficult for me to consider it "the > >> academy". > >> > >> But I suppose I could loosen my definition and consider relatively > >> independent science communicators like Sabine or Neil deGrasse Tyson > >> as peri-academics (or maybe even para-academics). Then it would be a > >> short hop to, say, fossil fuel lobbyists. There's some kind of > >> slippery slope, here. And that's why I like to stick to grantsmanship > >> for academicy stuff. (It also applies to other non-profits ... or the > >> hunt for a sugar momma, even ... patronage. But academics, because > >> they're also scholars, have a more sedate and systematic matrix to > >> navigate.) > >> > >> The other element that separates people like Neil deGrasse Tyson or > >> Professor Dave or Angela Collier from people like Sabine is that they > >> engage in less hyperbole. My experience with serious academics is > >> they don't run around yelling things like "Science is Dying". > >> Academics tend to be more measured, restrained, particular, and a bit > >> boring. Of course, as they age out, they go a bit batsh¡t. It seems > >> to me emeriti engage in more hyperbole than working academics. > >> > >> So long story short: Sabine's not an academic because she doesn't > >> spend her time writing grants. And she's not an academic because too > >> much of her work product is hyperbolic. > >> > >> On 11/8/24 22:33, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >>> I'm still confused why you say Hossenfelder isn't an academic. > >>> Scholar.google.com doesn't see it that way: Cited by 5,426. She > >>> has recent publications. > >> > > > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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