I feel like you didn’t see the series. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 12:33 PM To: friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
Gemini needs to check its sources. 8^D "Typical features of narcissistic personality disorder are variable and vulnerable self esteem, with attempts at regulation through attention and approval seeking, and either overt or covert grandiosity." Like grandiosity, attention and approval seeking can be overt or covert, as well. One type of covert attention seeking is claiming that you're "worthy" whereas others are not, especially in a room full of those the narcissist thinks are not worthy. On 11/6/24 12:11, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Ah, as Gemini explains.. I meant the latter. A covert action can’t be NPD > because it could not receive admiration nor be presented as boastful. (In the > series he has some conspirators, I don’t recall they were very cult-like.) > > *Normal narcissism* > > A healthy or exaggerated narcissism that is not a psychiatric disorder. It > can be characterized by self-determination, arrogance, and intolerance of > obstacles. > > > *Narcissistic personality disorder* > > A mental health condition that is characterized by a pervasive pattern of > grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. People with NPD > may appear arrogant, boastful, or unlikeable. They may also have an inflated > sense of their own importance, and lack the ability to understand or care > about the feelings of others. NPD is a lifelong condition that can be > treated, but there is no cure. > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen > <geprope...@gmail.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:53 AM > *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die > > Nah. I've met a lot of covert narcissists who take cover behind things like > "the spectrum" or "awkwardness" or whatever. And narcissism need not be > debilitating (diagnosable) to have a canalizing impact. A hallmark is the > arrogant claim they *know* what the greater good is, much less how to get > there. > > On 11/6/24 11:44, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> I didn’t get that from the character. A sociopath, sure, but for the greater >> good and not out for attention. >> >> *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen >> <geprope...@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:40 AM >> *To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die >> >> IDK. I don't really analyze cultural artifacts much or very well. But the >> next sentence might be helpful: "Everything I do is a cure for our current >> situation." So it's less about cutting his audience/herd into the >> meritorious versus the meritless and more about his narcissism or arrogance. >> It's an elevation of him above the herd. >> >> On 11/6/24 11:28, steve smith wrote: >>> glen wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. The crossover terms constrain the ungrounded phrases. The more >>>> crossover terms, the more constrained the ungrounded terms. Had Kevin said >>>> "What have you done to land you in that place in the world?", then it >>>> would imply a more constrained space of possible groundings. Prolly >>>> wouldn't have the necessary moralized narrative, though. >>> >>> I took it to be specifically manipulative, suggesting both credit and blame >>> to double-team the person being confronted with a "header and a heeler", "a >>> carrot and a stick"... >>> >>> Is that in fact, the point of moralized narratives? To "herd" ? >>> >>> Though I think Kevin's goal was actually "cutting" or "singling" in the >>> herding vernacular. >>> > -- ꙮ Mɥǝu ǝlǝdɥɐuʇs ɟᴉƃɥʇ' ʇɥǝ ƃɹɐss snɟɟǝɹs˙ ꙮ .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/>
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