Ultracrepidarian tendencies aside, while it seems Trump does fall somewhere in cluster B, it feels simplistic to focus on narcissism or NPD. (I've included the cluster B criteria below.) One of the reasons I'm not as reactionary in light of his re-election is because he's somewhere in cluster B and is a high conflict person. That means he *will* play his advisors and sycophants off against each other. It's not clear to me why he does it. But he does.
Any lasting damage he does to our "democracy" will be done by his advisors like Heritage Foundation, Peter Thiel (via Vance?), Musk, Putin, et al. But if he *notices* that they're stealing his ... what? ... it's not quite spotlight ... power? ... whatever it is that gets him off or assuages his anxiety ... if he notices any collection of his circle taking that from him, he'll do his best to incite conflict and lower those "bad actors'" status. We've all had such bosses, I assume. A good manipulator convinces the boss that your idea was their idea and then you get them to "delegate" it to you. The one's to watch are those in Trump's circle that exhibit that skill set. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Antisocial Personality Disorder Diagnostic Criteria 301.7 (F60.2) A. A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others, occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following: 1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest. 2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure. 3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead. 4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults. 5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others. 6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations. 7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another. B. The individual is at least age 18 years. C. There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizo phrenia or bipolar disorder. Borderline Personality Disorder Diagnostic Criteria 301.83 (F60.3) A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects, and marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. (Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.) 2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternat ing between extremes of idealization and devaluation. 3. Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self. 4. Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating). (Note: Do not include suicidal or self- mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.) 5. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior. 6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days). 7. Chronic feelings of emptiness. 8. Inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights). 9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms. Histrionic Personality Disorder Diagnostic Criteria 301.50 (F60.4) A pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention seeking, beginning by early adult hood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Is uncomfortable in situations in which he or she is not the center of attention. 2. Interaction with others is often characterized by inappropriate sexually seductive or provocative behavior. 3. Displays rapidly shifting and shallow expression of emotions. 4. Consistently uses physical appearance to draw attention to self. 5. Has a style of speech that is excessively impressionistic and lacking in detail. 6. Shows self-dramatization, theatricality, and exaggerated expression of emotion. 7. Is suggestible (i.e., easily influenced by others or circumstances). 8. Considers relationships to be more intimate than they actually are. Narcissistic Personality Disorder Diagnostic Criteria 301.81 (F60.81) A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements). 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love. 3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions). 4. Requires excessive admiration. 5. Has a sense of entitlement (i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations).6. Is interpersonally exploitative (i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends). 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others. 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her. 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. On 11/7/24 06:01, Frank Wimberly wrote:
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is not unusual. Malignant Narcissism, which Trump has in my nonprofessional opinion, is more severe. But what do I know? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Nov 6, 2024, 1:33 PM glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: Gemini needs to check its sources. 8^D "Typical features of narcissistic personality disorder are variable and vulnerable self esteem, with attempts at regulation through attention and approval seeking, and either overt or covert grandiosity." Like grandiosity, attention and approval seeking can be overt or covert, as well. One type of covert attention seeking is claiming that you're "worthy" whereas others are not, especially in a room full of those the narcissist thinks are not worthy. On 11/6/24 12:11, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Ah, as Gemini explains.. I meant the latter. A covert action can’t be NPD because it could not receive admiration nor be presented as boastful. (In the series he has some conspirators, I don’t recall they were very cult-like.) > > *Normal narcissism* > > A healthy or exaggerated narcissism that is not a psychiatric disorder. It can be characterized by self-determination, arrogance, and intolerance of obstacles. > > > *Narcissistic personality disorder* > > A mental health condition that is characterized by a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. People with NPD may appear arrogant, boastful, or unlikeable. They may also have an inflated sense of their own importance, and lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others. NPD is a lifelong condition that can be treated, but there is no cure. > > *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> > *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:53 AM > *To: *friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die > > Nah. I've met a lot of covert narcissists who take cover behind things like "the spectrum" or "awkwardness" or whatever. And narcissism need not be debilitating (diagnosable) to have a canalizing impact. A hallmark is the arrogant claim they *know* what the greater good is, much less how to get there. > > On 11/6/24 11:44, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> I didn’t get that from the character. A sociopath, sure, but for the greater good and not out for attention. >> >> *From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> on behalf of glen <geprope...@gmail.com <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> >> *Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:40 AM >> *To: *friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> >> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die >> >> IDK. I don't really analyze cultural artifacts much or very well. But the next sentence might be helpful: "Everything I do is a cure for our current situation." So it's less about cutting his audience/herd into the meritorious versus the meritless and more about his narcissism or arrogance. It's an elevation of him above the herd. >> >> On 11/6/24 11:28, steve smith wrote: >>> glen wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. The crossover terms constrain the ungrounded phrases. The more crossover terms, the more constrained the ungrounded terms. Had Kevin said "What have you done to land you in that place in the world?", then it would imply a more constrained space of possible groundings. Prolly wouldn't have the necessary moralized narrative, though. >>> >>> I took it to be specifically manipulative, suggesting both credit and blame to double-team the person being confronted with a "header and a heeler", "a carrot and a stick"... >>> >>> Is that in fact, the point of moralized narratives? To "herd" ? >>> >>> Though I think Kevin's goal was actually "cutting" or "singling" in the herding vernacular. >>> >
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