Gemini needs to check its sources. 8^D
"Typical features of narcissistic personality disorder are variable and vulnerable
self esteem, with attempts at regulation through attention and approval seeking, and
either overt or covert grandiosity."
Like grandiosity, attention and approval seeking can be overt or covert, as well. One
type of covert attention seeking is claiming that you're "worthy" whereas
others are not, especially in a room full of those the narcissist thinks are not worthy.
On 11/6/24 12:11, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Ah, as Gemini explains.. I meant the latter. A covert action can’t be NPD
because it could not receive admiration nor be presented as boastful. (In the
series he has some conspirators, I don’t recall they were very cult-like.)
*Normal narcissism*
A healthy or exaggerated narcissism that is not a psychiatric disorder. It can
be characterized by self-determination, arrogance, and intolerance of obstacles.
*Narcissistic personality disorder*
A mental health condition that is characterized by a pervasive pattern of
grandiosity, a need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. People with NPD may
appear arrogant, boastful, or unlikeable. They may also have an inflated sense
of their own importance, and lack the ability to understand or care about the
feelings of others. NPD is a lifelong condition that can be treated, but there
is no cure.
*From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen
<geprope...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:53 AM
*To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
Nah. I've met a lot of covert narcissists who take cover behind things like "the
spectrum" or "awkwardness" or whatever. And narcissism need not be debilitating
(diagnosable) to have a canalizing impact. A hallmark is the arrogant claim they *know* what the
greater good is, much less how to get there.
On 11/6/24 11:44, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I didn’t get that from the character. A sociopath, sure, but for the greater
good and not out for attention.
*From: *Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of glen
<geprope...@gmail.com>
*Date: *Wednesday, November 6, 2024 at 11:40 AM
*To: *friam@redfish.com <friam@redfish.com>
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] How democracies die
IDK. I don't really analyze cultural artifacts much or very well. But the next sentence
might be helpful: "Everything I do is a cure for our current situation." So
it's less about cutting his audience/herd into the meritorious versus the meritless and
more about his narcissism or arrogance. It's an elevation of him above the herd.
On 11/6/24 11:28, steve smith wrote:
glen wrote:
I agree. The crossover terms constrain the ungrounded phrases. The more crossover terms,
the more constrained the ungrounded terms. Had Kevin said "What have you done to
land you in that place in the world?", then it would imply a more constrained space
of possible groundings. Prolly wouldn't have the necessary moralized narrative, though.
I took it to be specifically manipulative, suggesting both credit and blame to double-team the
person being confronted with a "header and a heeler", "a carrot and a stick"...
Is that in fact, the point of moralized narratives? To "herd" ?
Though I think Kevin's goal was actually "cutting" or "singling" in the herding
vernacular.
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