Good point, Cody! > On Mar 31, 2023, at 9:16 PM, cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com> wrote: > > While I think that AI could soon handle the managerial part of a CEO's job, > they may have trouble playing golf. It might not matter if the stock is going > up. > I am very ignorant about what CEO's do 'though. > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 5:33 PM Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com > <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote: > So what do you think? Are CEOs, CFOs etc. and corporate board members at any > medium or short-term risk of losing their jobs to machine learning? I like to > hear some opinions on this. > > Thx, > Grant > > > On Mar 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com > > <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: > > > > Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote CxO not QxO. Google quickly > > enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the noise. > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com > > <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: > >> > >> I must admit my ignorance here, not aided in the least by a cursory > >> Google search: What is QxO? > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant Holland > >> <grant.holland...@gmail.com <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Frank, > >>> > >>> I'm wondering why no-one seems to raise the specter that AI could start > >>> replacing management personnel. And I’m including CxO’s here; because I’m > >>> not convinced that CxO-ing is rocket science or quantum mechanics. Think > >>> of the billions saved. After all, if machine learning cannot get good at > >>> making better decisions than humans, and constantly improving at it, I > >>> would be very surprised. > >>> > >>> Grant > >>> > >>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close > >>> colleague of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI to replace > >>> a college professor than a bulldozer operator" or words tho that effect. > >>> > >>> Frank > >>> > >>> --- > >>> Frank C. Wimberly > >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 > >>> > >>> 505 670-9918 > >>> Santa Fe, NM > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm > >>> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long after those on this > >>>> list noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit a theme I have > >>>> thought about since Newell, Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist. > >>>> > >>>> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word) of human > >>>> intelligence, write a program to emulate it and declare the program > >>>> "intelligent." > >>>> > >>>> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of thinking > >>>> exhibited by college professors and scientists. Almost trivial to > >>>> emulate (Newell and Simon programmed Logic Theorist on 3x5 cards before > >>>> Shaw was able to implement on a computer). > >>>> > >>>> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a child—was more > >>>> indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski created NetTalk. that, > >>>> somewhat eerily, produced discoveries of sounds, and errors, and > >>>> achieved near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime > >>>> and contrast them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of > >>>> course, comprehension of what was read did not make the cut. > >>>> > >>>> State of the art improved dramatically and the caricatures of human > >>>> intelligence are more sophisticated and the achievements of the programs > >>>> more interesting. > >>>> > >>>> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We can program an AI > >>>> (or let one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or better than a > >>>> human pilot—BUT, could even the best of of breed of such an AI pull a > >>>> Shullenberger and land on the Hudson River? > >>>> > >>>> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs > >>>> causing massive unemployment is a corollary to the caricaturization of > >>>> human intelligence. Since the Industrial Revolution, and certainly since > >>>> the age of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has been > >>>> dehumanizing. > >>>> > >>>> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by a computer then > >>>> it is tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because it can perform > >>>> human work. > >>>> > >>>> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my > >>>> profession—college professor—was one at immense risk of replacement. I > >>>> would bet good money that a ChatAI could produce, and maybe deliver, > >>>> lectures far better than any I created in 30 years teaching. And > >>>> probably most, if not all, of the presentations I made at professional > >>>> conferences over the years. > >>>> > >>>> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers and books I have > >>>> written are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do as well in > >>>> spontaneious Q&A after a presentation than I. > >>>> > >>>> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate to HI, only > >>>> when some aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. 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