Good point, Roger. And any “old buddy” system among the board and musical chairs they play with the CEO position would tend to make them hunker down to protect their power structure. It might take the stockholders, once they finally gain confidence in AI, and see how much money can be saved, to upend the status quo.
> On Apr 1, 2023, at 8:29 AM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > > I think that it depends on having a board of directors/private owner prepared > to take their hands off the wheel. > > The main problem would be trolls attempting adversarial prompts. However > comfortable you might get with the ai's ability to handle the day to day > affairs, would you ever feel safe from some ai whisperer persuading it to > give everything away and become a yogi? I suppose you have the same problem > with meat C-suite officers, too. > > I tried to get Bard to talk with me about the adjacent possible (AP) the > other day. It agreed that the AP could not be represented as a mathematical > set, but it continued to talk about the AP as if it were a set. So it > suggested formulating the AP as a graph, or a tree, or as the states of a > dynamical system. I pushed for a non-set formalism and it gave me fuzzy > sets. I guess I have to try harder. > > -- rec -- > > On Sat, Apr 1, 2023 at 8:05 AM Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com > <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Good point, Cody! > >> On Mar 31, 2023, at 9:16 PM, cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com >> <mailto:d00d3r...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> While I think that AI could soon handle the managerial part of a CEO's job, >> they may have trouble playing golf. It might not matter if the stock is >> going up. >> I am very ignorant about what CEO's do 'though. >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 5:33 PM Grant Holland <grant.holland...@gmail.com >> <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> So what do you think? Are CEOs, CFOs etc. and corporate board members at any >> medium or short-term risk of losing their jobs to machine learning? I like >> to hear some opinions on this. >> >> Thx, >> Grant >> >> > On Mar 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com >> > <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote CxO not QxO. Google quickly >> > enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the noise. >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com >> > <mailto:g...@naturesvisualarts.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> I must admit my ignorance here, not aided in the least by a cursory >> >> Google search: What is QxO? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant Holland >> >> <grant.holland...@gmail.com <mailto:grant.holland...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Frank, >> >>> >> >>> I'm wondering why no-one seems to raise the specter that AI could start >> >>> replacing management personnel. And I’m including CxO’s here; because >> >>> I’m not convinced that CxO-ing is rocket science or quantum mechanics. >> >>> Think of the billions saved. After all, if machine learning cannot get >> >>> good at making better decisions than humans, and constantly improving at >> >>> it, I would be very surprised. >> >>> >> >>> Grant >> >>> >> >>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com >> >>> <mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close >> >>> colleague of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI to >> >>> replace a college professor than a bulldozer operator" or words tho that >> >>> effect. >> >>> >> >>> Frank >> >>> >> >>> --- >> >>> Frank C. Wimberly >> >>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> >>> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >>> >> >>> 505 670-9918 >> >>> Santa Fe, NM >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm >> >>> <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long after those on >> >>>> this list noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit a theme I >> >>>> have thought about since Newell, Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist. >> >>>> >> >>>> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word) of human >> >>>> intelligence, write a program to emulate it and declare the program >> >>>> "intelligent." >> >>>> >> >>>> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of thinking >> >>>> exhibited by college professors and scientists. Almost trivial to >> >>>> emulate (Newell and Simon programmed Logic Theorist on 3x5 cards before >> >>>> Shaw was able to implement on a computer). >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a child—was more >> >>>> indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski created NetTalk. that, >> >>>> somewhat eerily, produced discoveries of sounds, and errors, and >> >>>> achieved near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime >> >>>> and contrast them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of >> >>>> course, comprehension of what was read did not make the cut. >> >>>> >> >>>> State of the art improved dramatically and the caricatures of human >> >>>> intelligence are more sophisticated and the achievements of the >> >>>> programs more interesting. >> >>>> >> >>>> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We can program an AI >> >>>> (or let one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or better than a >> >>>> human pilot—BUT, could even the best of of breed of such an AI pull a >> >>>> Shullenberger and land on the Hudson River? >> >>>> >> >>>> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs >> >>>> causing massive unemployment is a corollary to the caricaturization of >> >>>> human intelligence. Since the Industrial Revolution, and certainly >> >>>> since the age of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has >> >>>> been dehumanizing. >> >>>> >> >>>> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by a computer >> >>>> then it is tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because it can >> >>>> perform human work. >> >>>> >> >>>> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my >> >>>> profession—college professor—was one at immense risk of replacement. I >> >>>> would bet good money that a ChatAI could produce, and maybe deliver, >> >>>> lectures far better than any I created in 30 years teaching. And >> >>>> probably most, if not all, of the presentations I made at professional >> >>>> conferences over the years. >> >>>> >> >>>> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers and books I >> >>>> have written are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do as well >> >>>> in spontaneious Q&A after a presentation than I. >> >>>> >> >>>> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate to HI, only >> >>>> when some aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. 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