Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote CxO not QxO. Google quickly enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the noise.
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: > > I must admit my ignorance here, not aided in the least by a cursory > Google search: What is QxO? > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant Holland > <grant.holland...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Frank, > > > > I'm wondering why no-one seems to raise the specter that AI could start > > replacing management personnel. And I’m including CxO’s here; because I’m > > not convinced that CxO-ing is rocket science or quantum mechanics. Think of > > the billions saved. After all, if machine learning cannot get good at > > making better decisions than humans, and constantly improving at it, I > > would be very surprised. > > > > Grant > > > > On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close colleague > > of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI to replace a college > > professor than a bulldozer operator" or words tho that effect. > > > > Frank > > > > --- > > Frank C. Wimberly > > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > > > 505 670-9918 > > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> > >> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long after those on this > >> list noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit a theme I have > >> thought about since Newell, Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist. > >> > >> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word) of human > >> intelligence, write a program to emulate it and declare the program > >> "intelligent." > >> > >> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of thinking exhibited > >> by college professors and scientists. Almost trivial to emulate (Newell > >> and Simon programmed Logic Theorist on 3x5 cards before Shaw was able to > >> implement on a computer). > >> > >> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a child—was more > >> indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski created NetTalk. that, > >> somewhat eerily, produced discoveries of sounds, and errors, and achieved > >> near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime and contrast > >> them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of course, > >> comprehension of what was read did not make the cut. > >> > >> State of the art improved dramatically and the caricatures of human > >> intelligence are more sophisticated and the achievements of the programs > >> more interesting. > >> > >> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We can program an AI > >> (or let one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or better than a human > >> pilot—BUT, could even the best of of breed of such an AI pull a > >> Shullenberger and land on the Hudson River? > >> > >> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs > >> causing massive unemployment is a corollary to the caricaturization of > >> human intelligence. Since the Industrial Revolution, and certainly since > >> the age of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has been > >> dehumanizing. > >> > >> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by a computer then > >> it is tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because it can perform > >> human work. > >> > >> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my > >> profession—college professor—was one at immense risk of replacement. I > >> would bet good money that a ChatAI could produce, and maybe deliver, > >> lectures far better than any I created in 30 years teaching. And probably > >> most, if not all, of the presentations I made at professional conferences > >> over the years. > >> > >> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers and books I have > >> written are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do as well in > >> spontaneious Q&A after a presentation than I. > >> > >> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate to HI, only when > >> some aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. This is not essentialism, > >> but analogous to the digitization of a sine wave, no matter the finite > >> sampling rate, there is always some missing information. > >> > >> davew > >> > >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > >> archives: 5/2017 thru present > >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . 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