On Mar 31, 2023, at 9:16 PM, cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com>
wrote:
While I think that AI could soon handle the managerial part of a
CEO's job, they may have trouble playing golf. It might not
matter if the stock is going up.
I am very ignorant about what CEO's do 'though.
On Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 5:33 PM Grant Holland
<grant.holland...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what do you think? Are CEOs, CFOs etc. and corporate board
members at any medium or short-term risk of losing their jobs
to machine learning? I like to hear some opinions on this.
Thx,
Grant
> On Mar 31, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Gary Schiltz
<g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote:
>
> Arrrr... looking more closely, Grant wrote CxO not QxO.
Google quickly
> enlightened me on the former. Sorry for the noise.
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 2:19 PM Gary Schiltz
<g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote:
>>
>> I must admit my ignorance here, not aided in the least by
a cursory
>> Google search: What is QxO?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM Grant Holland
>> <grant.holland...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> I'm wondering why no-one seems to raise the specter that
AI could start replacing management personnel. And I’m
including CxO’s here; because I’m not convinced that CxO-ing
is rocket science or quantum mechanics. Think of the billions
saved. After all, if machine learning cannot get good at
making better decisions than humans, and constantly improving
at it, I would be very surprised.
>>>
>>> Grant
>>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2023, at 8:58 AM, Frank Wimberly
<wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj
Reddy, close colleague of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is
easier use AI to replace a college professor than a bulldozer
operator" or words tho that effect.
>>>
>>> Frank
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>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West
<profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long
after those on this list noted and reacted to it) and that
made me revisit a theme I have thought about since Newell,
Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist.
>>>>
>>>> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word)
of human intelligence, write a program to emulate it and
declare the program "intelligent."
>>>>
>>>> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of
thinking exhibited by college professors and scientists.
Almost trivial to emulate (Newell and Simon programmed Logic
Theorist on 3x5 cards before Shaw was able to implement on a
computer).
>>>>
>>>> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a
child—was more indicative of human intelligence, and
Sejnowski created NetTalk. that, somewhat eerily, produced
discoveries of sounds, and errors, and achieved near perfect
ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime and contrast
them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of course,
comprehension of what was read did not make the cut.
>>>>
>>>> State of the art improved dramatically and the
caricatures of human intelligence are more sophisticated and
the achievements of the programs more interesting.
>>>>
>>>> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We
can program an AI (or let one learn) to fly a commercial jet
as well or better than a human pilot—BUT, could even the best
of of breed of such an AI pull a Shullenberger and land on
the Hudson River?
>>>>
>>>> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the
sexism) over AIs causing massive unemployment is a corollary
to the caricaturization of human intelligence. Since the
Industrial Revolution, and certainly since the age of
Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has been
dehumanizing.
>>>>
>>>> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by
a computer then it is tautological to claim an AI is
intelligent because it can perform human work.
>>>>
>>>> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my
profession—college professor—was one at immense risk of
replacement. I would bet good money that a ChatAI could
produce, and maybe deliver, lectures far better than any I
created in 30 years teaching. And probably most, if not all,
of the presentations I made at professional conferences over
the years.
>>>>
>>>> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers
and books I have written are beyond an AI, and certain that
no AI could do as well in spontaneious Q&A after a
presentation than I.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate
to HI, only when some aspect of HI is ommitted from the
equation. This is not essentialism, but analogous to the
digitization of a sine wave, no matter the finite sampling
rate, there is always some missing information.
>>>>
>>>> davew
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