There’s a nice subtext to why this is true. It isn’t only the mechanics of the task.
People care what bulldozer operators do. > On Mar 30, 2023, at 10:58 AM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Not particularly relevant to your main point but Raj Reddy, close colleague > of Newell and Simon, once said, "It is easier use AI to replace a college > professor than a bulldozer operator" or words tho that effect. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023, 8:50 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm > <mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm>> wrote: >> The "AI Pause" made national TV news yesterday (long after those on this >> list noted and reacted to it) and that made me revisit a theme I have >> thought about since Newell, Simon, and Shaw created Logic Theorist. >> >> Advocates take a caricature (perhaps too strong a word) of human >> intelligence, write a program to emulate it and declare the program >> "intelligent." >> >> The original conceit: true intelligence was the kind of thinking exhibited >> by college professors and scientists. Almost trivial to emulate (Newell and >> Simon programmed Logic Theorist on 3x5 cards before Shaw was able to >> implement on a computer). >> >> Maybe reading—correctly converting text to sound, like a child—was more >> indicative of human intelligence, and Sejnowski created NetTalk. that, >> somewhat eerily, produced discoveries of sounds, and errors, and achieved >> near perfect ability to "read." Listen to the tapes sometime and contrast >> them with tapes of a human child learning to read. Of course, comprehension >> of what was read did not make the cut. >> >> State of the art improved dramatically and the caricatures of human >> intelligence are more sophisticated and the achievements of the programs >> more interesting. >> >> But, it seems to me there is still a critical gap. We can program an AI (or >> let one learn) to fly a commercial jet as well or better than a human >> pilot—BUT, could even the best of of breed of such an AI pull a >> Shullenberger and land on the Hudson River? >> >> Another factor behind the "hysteria" (sorry for the sexism) over AIs causing >> massive unemployment is a corollary to the caricaturization of human >> intelligence. Since the Industrial Revolution, and certainly since the age >> of Taylorism and the rise of automation; work itself has been dehumanizing. >> >> If you define human work in terms of what can be done by a computer then it >> is tautological to claim an AI is intelligent because it can perform human >> work. >> >> I was contemplating ChatAIs and quickly realized that my profession—college >> professor—was one at immense risk of replacement. I would bet good money >> that a ChatAI could produce, and maybe deliver, lectures far better than any >> I created in 30 years teaching. And probably most, if not all, of the >> presentations I made at professional conferences over the years. >> >> I am still vain enough to think that some of the papers and books I have >> written are beyond an AI, and certain that no AI could do as well in >> spontaneious Q&A after a presentation than I. >> >> Bottom line, I still believe that AI can and does equate to HI, only when >> some aspect of HI is ommitted from the equation. 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