I don't know, I don't think the test has ever been done. It probably depends upon how good the talairach registration is. doug
On 05/08/2013 03:12 PM, Mohammed Goryawala wrote: > Hi, > > A follow up question pertaining to this issue for me is how good is > the measure of the ICV when dealing with subjects having prior > resections or significant atrophy. I am using FreeSurfer v5.1. > > Thank you > M. Goryawala > Post-Doctoral Associate > Florida International University > Miami, FL > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Alejandra Infante > <infante.alejandr...@gmail.com <mailto:infante.alejandr...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Thank you! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 8, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Douglas N Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote: > > > > > Hi Alejandra, I don't work with children, so I'll let someone > else (Lilla? Rudolph?) answer. > > doug > > ps. Please remember to copy the list on responses. Thanks! > > > > On 05/08/2013 01:19 AM, Alejandra Infante wrote: > >> Thank you! I might have asked this at the training, but I am > still not clear on whether the estimated ICV (from freesurfer) is > reliable if your population of interest are children? Or would you > recommend manual edits (when needed) after checking the quality of > the talairach registration file using tkregister2 --s subjid > --fstal --surfs? > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Douglas Greve > <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu > <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>> wrote: > >> > >> > >> It is neither:) See > http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/eTIV > >> and/or Buckner et al. (2004) NeuroImage > >> <https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/NeuroImage> > 23:724-738. > >> > >> "Basically, total intracranial volume is found to correlate with > >> the determinant of the transform matrix used to align an image > >> with an atlas. The work demonstrates that a one-parameter > scaling > >> factor provides a reasonable TIV estimation. This method uses an > >> atlas based spatial normalization procedure, and requires > that the > >> *talairach.xfm* is correct. " > >> > >> This performs the talairach registration for a subject. Then, > >> based only on the numbers in the matrix, it estimates the ICV > >> based on subjects that had similar matrices. > >> > >> doug > >> > >> > >> > >> On 5/7/13 9:42 PM, Alejandra Infante wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> I understand that ICV is an estimated measure based on a > standard > >>> talairach transformation; however, I want to know how > freesurfer > >>> is defining intracranial volume (i.e., is this a representation > >>> of everything within the cranium as the name implies or is > it an > >>> estimate of total brain volume, which would not include space > >>> between skull and dura)?. We are using fs vesion 5.1 > >>> > >>> > >>> -- M. 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