On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 1:21 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 5/19/2019 12:19 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, May 19, 2019 at 1:50:03 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/18/2019 11:25 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> No I can't *prove *we aren't simulations, or that a simulation running >>> in a big computer made of Intel Cores can't be conscious. >>> >>> >>> Nor can you give a reply to Chalmer's fading consciousness problem. >>> >>> >>> >> http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html : >> >> >> *for a system to be conscious it must have the right sort of biochemical >> makeup; if so, a metallic robot or a silicon-based computer could never >> have experiences, no matter what its causal organization * >> >> >> *A natural suggestion is that when experience arises from a physical >> system, it does so in virtue of the system's functional organization. On >> this view, the chemical and indeed the quantum substrates of the brain are >> not directly relevant to the existence of consciousness, although they may >> be indirectly relevant. What is central is rather the brain's abstract >> causal organization, an organization that might be realized in many >> different physical substrates.* >> >> *In this paper I defend this view.* >> >> >> >> That from David Chalmer's paper is the only good takeaway. >> >> >> Brent >> > > > > That was written in 1993. (In 2019, I don't think he himself defends this > view.) > > In any case, I read this "defense" like I read papers defending* the > existence of God*. > > A scientist should be thrilled to find something which might show the ideas he or she holds to be wrong, as it offers a chance to adopt a more correct view. Recently I have seen a lot of people on this list telling others their idea is wrong, but not giving any reason or reasoning to justify that assertion. This doesn't helping anyone. Telling someone else they are wrong without providing a reason won't get them to change their mind, if anything failing to provide a reason is just as likely to reinforce their belief. If you see or intuit something that someone else does not, I think it is best to either point out what it is they are missing or remain silent. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CA%2BBCJUjayBUVtUSTV5UPCpRLocYhkNU13vGAyyZEauScYa1ZEg%40mail.gmail.com.
