On Sun, Jul 27, 2025 at 9:10 PM Brent Meeker <[email protected]> wrote:


> *>>> If it's an unmeasured electron the the chance of UP or DN could be
>>> anything.  Maybe it's an UP electron from a source that only produces UP
>>> electrons.*
>>
>>
>

*>> If that is the case then somewhere and sometime in its lifetime the
>> electron must've encountered something equivalent to a Stern–Gerlach
>> magnet, and so the electron is NOT unmeasured. *
>
>

*> So if I illuminate a piece of iron with some photons that knock out
> electrons via the photoelectric effect, then on passing them thru an SG
> magnet and detecting their distribution, you say they must necessarily be
> 50/50 UP/DN?*
>

*Not necessarily. Electrons in magnetic iron are not randomly oriented, so
the electrons knocked out of the iron may have some preferential spin
orientation. Also because angular momentum is conserved, circularly
polarized light can preferentially eject electrons of one spin orientation
over the other. But both the magnetic orientation of iron atoms and the
amount of polarization of the light are known quantities, at least
theoretically, therefore the electrons they eject cannot be considered
"unmeasured" because sometime somewhere they have encountered something
equivalent to a Stern–Gerlach magnet, just as I said.*

*John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>*
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