On Monday, July 14, 2025 at 5:44:37 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 5:41 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: *> Thanks for this post. Before going further into this issue, please define your three terms: deterministic, * *True randomness is impossible because every event has a cause, although information about that cause may not always be available to every observer. * *This seems to be your interpretation of determinism. I thought it means there are non probabilistic laws that cause all events. AG * *> local * *The speed at which information can be transmitted, and the speed of cause-and-effect in general, is finite; and X cannot produce a change in Y without producing a change in something between X and Y.* *Or, I suppose you could say, there is no instanteous action at a distance. AG * *> and realistic.* *Every observable about an unmeasured particle exists in one definite state. * *No quantum interpretation that is consistent with experiments can be all three, * *What is the origin or justification for this claim? TY, AG * *Many Worlds is deterministic and local but it is not realistic, Pilot Wave theory is deterministic and realistic but not local, Objective Collapse is local and realistic but not deterministic. As for Copenhagen, its followers can't agree even among themselves what it is. * *John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* xr3 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/13d6fc2c-b152-4401-83da-3109349aa587n%40googlegroups.com.
