On Saturday, July 12, 2025 at 4:25:57 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote:

On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 10:04 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote:

*> What is the argument that it is both UP and DN before measurement? AG *


*Experiments have shown that Bell's Inequality is violated. You've asked 
this question several times before and I've answered it several times 
before, and in considerable detail, showing why the only logical conclusion 
we can make from that violation is that reality must be fundamentally 
different from what we might naïvely expect. *

*John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
<https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* 


When I started this thread, I had completely forgotten the Bell experiments 
which allegedly show that the Ignorance Interpretation of Superposition is 
wrong, and I've never seen a clear demonstation of that result. As I now 
recall, you discussed in detail three conditions, not all of which you 
claimed, can be true. But these were just assertions on your part, not in 
any respect proof of what you allege above.  Also, I didn't fully 
understand your assertions, assuming they were valid. AG

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