Elon Musk said he can power the whole US with 100 square miles on solar panels in Arizona
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:41 PM, Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about global defossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact that EVs are just a small part of what needs solving. If he is correct, and his business is doing the math, we need to work on things that have a possibility of helping on a global scale. Much as I hate the idea, all 7 billion of us need nuclear solutions. There is a place for solar and wind, but the sun doesn't shine enough where we need it and same with wind. We should not waste our precious time and treasure on faulty plans. All the comments on this thread have failed to actually understand what he is talking about, or even watch it, seemingly. It is just arithmetic he is presenting. What is he getting wrong? He says if you add up all the copper in the world, how it has to get used, where more comes from, the time it takes to ramp production, accounting for recycling, and so on, we are in trouble. Likewise, paladiums, tin, aluminum (take enormous amounts of electricity), magnet materials, and so on, we come up way short. None of you out here make it your business to ferret out all the details. This is Zeihan's business and he has research staff behind him. I recommend his most recent book which has a very interesting chapter on industrial materials. It is short and not fleshed out fully, but I follow his logic, and don't believe he has anything pushing him to make stuff up. He likes the outdoors and wants a clean environment. But, he seems certain that making any headway won't come from electrification except after many decades, potentially a century. If he is anywhere near correct, then we need to reconfigure our efforts. Now. On Sun, Nov 5, 2023, 2:19 PM Thos True via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > I find it difficult to believe that we are once again being drawn into the > argument that the grid cannot support the demand for EV's. > Society has been in this situation several times since the early 1900's. > With each new electrical product's popularity (televisions, refrigerators, > air conditioners, hot tubs, washers and dryers, motorhomes, Mcmansions, > housing developments, fast food restaurants, factories, etc), the same > fearful cry was heard. Development of "the grid" has been ahead of demand > in the majority of markets, as they are a business that wants to sell as > much of their products as possible. Even when the demand levels off, > utilities are continuously upgrading the equipment with more efficient > devices to maximize output utilizing the same foot print ( fenced in > facilities, usually). > Most vehicles use around the same amount of electricity per charge as > running a dryer for a couple of cycles (how many people think twice about > doing that?). > Just my 2 watts worth, > Tom True > > On Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 5:32 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into > > politics... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rush Dougherty > > TucsonEV > > 1014 E King St > > Tucson AZ 85719 > > 520 240 7493 > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > > > > EV List Lackey wrote - > > > "To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic party, for that > > matter, > > it is > > > most efficient to look directly at the clients -- or as political > > scientist > > Thomas > > > Ferguson would call them, the 'major investors.' > > > On that level, the ideological contradictions are unimportant. > Political > > parties do > > > function as mediating institutions, just not for voters." > > > > > > -- William Greider, "Who Will Tell the People" > > > > Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into > > politics... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rush Dougherty > > TucsonEV > > www.TucsonEV.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20231105/46f5d507/attachment.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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