Not one of the energy sources you have list magically materializes inside your
automobile with no external expenditure of energy. Not petro products and not
nuclear. It is interesting how champions of one thing maximize the inputs of
their opponents thing while dancing like a feather over the issues of their
thing.Has anyone actually looked at the approach Toyota is taking with
hydrogen. They have taken their proven hybrid platform and introduced a
hydrogen component that takes on-board water and produces the hydrogen at a
rate required to fuel an ice.So the only infrastructure required is water. If
they can do this in an automobile that changes the energy dynamic across the
entire spectrum. It absolutely shrinks battery demandIt absolutely shinks
electrical infrastructure demands as everyone can the generate their own power
locally. Demand for copper shrinks Demand for all the metals required for
batteries shrink.There is zero pollution generated in the operation of these
engines. And we are still talking about ev traction for the most part with
little to none of the side effects.Regardless of how the modern nuclear
advertising campaign is green washing their waste and risk situation none of it
is necessary. There are new and emerging technologies which will solve all of
these issues.NickSent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network.
-------- Original message --------From: "(-Phil-) via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Date: 2023-11-06 4:42 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "(-Phil-)" <p...@ingineerix.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL]
OFF TOPIC Re: EV's not a green success. WHERE does the Hydrogen come from? You
can't mine it, you can't harvestit, you have to either crack it from fossil
fuels, or split it from water,which takes a lot of energy (at least 2X what you
get back). It's nodifferent than a battery. You have to put energy in to get
it, then youget it out about half when you burn it or run it in a fuel cell.
It's justan energy storage system, a little more energy-dense than
currentbatteries, and can be recharged a little faster. It may have
goodapplication in future aircraft and shipping, maybe long-haul trucking,
butthat's about it. It's definitely not something you'd want to use
forstationary storage, as it's too wasteful. Using for transportation,
youmight accept the horrible efficiency in exchange for the convenience
anddensity.I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone on this list! On
Monday, November 6, 2023 at 12:40:07 PM PST, 63urban via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:>> Please explain how a flammable gas is not an energy
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