Hydrogen is an alternative to nuclear and more technology will be developed.
Not a fan of nuclear for its danger and its waste.NickSent from my Bell Samsung
device over Canada's largest network.
-------- Original message --------From: Michael Ross via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Date: 2023-11-06 1:41 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
<ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Michael Ross <michael.e.r...@gmail.com> Subject: Re:
[EVDL] EV's not a green success. I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He
is talking about globaldefossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face
the fact that EVsare just a small part of what needs solving.If he is correct,
and his business is doing the math, we need to work onthings that have a
possibility of helping on a global scale. Much as I hatethe idea, all 7 billion
of us need nuclear solutions. There is a place forsolar and wind, but the sun
doesn't shine enough where we need it and samewith wind. We should not waste
our precious time and treasure on faultyplans.All the comments on this thread
have failed to actually understand what heis talking about, or even watch it,
seemingly.It is just arithmetic he is presenting. What is he getting wrong?He
says if you add up all the copper in the world, how it has to get used,where
more comes from, the time it takes to ramp production, accounting forrecycling,
and so on, we are in trouble. Likewise, paladiums, tin, aluminum(take enormous
amounts of electricity), magnet materials, and so on, wecome up way short.None
of you out here make it your business to ferret out all the details.This is
Zeihan's business and he has research staff behind him. I recommendhis most
recent book which has a very interesting chapter on industrialmaterials. It is
short and not fleshed out fully, but I follow his logic,and don't believe he
has anything pushing him to make stuff up. He likesthe outdoors and wants a
clean environment. But, he seems certain thatmaking any headway won't come from
electrification except after manydecades, potentially a century. If he is
anywhere near correct, then weneed to reconfigure our efforts. Now.On Sun, Nov
5, 2023, 2:19 PM Thos True via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:> I find it
difficult to believe that we are once again being drawn into the> argument that
the grid cannot support the demand for EV's.> Society has been in this
situation several times since the early 1900's.> With each new electrical
product's popularity (televisions, refrigerators,> air conditioners, hot tubs,
washers and dryers, motorhomes, Mcmansions,> housing developments, fast food
restaurants, factories, etc), the same> fearful cry was heard. Development of
"the grid" has been ahead of demand> in the majority of markets, as they are a
business that wants to sell as> much of their products as possible. Even when
the demand levels off,> utilities are continuously upgrading the equipment with
more efficient> devices to maximize output utilizing the same foot print (
fenced in> facilities, usually).> Most vehicles use around the same amount of
electricity per charge as> running a dryer for a couple of cycles (how many
people think twice about> doing that?).> Just my 2 watts worth,> Tom True>> On
Sat, Nov 4, 2023, 5:32 PM EV@TucsonEV via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:>> >
Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into> >
politics...> >> > Best regards,> >> > Rush Dougherty> > TucsonEV> > 1014 E King
St> > Tucson AZ 85719> > 520 240 7493> > www.TucsonEV.com> >> >> >> >> > EV
List Lackey wrote -> > > "To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic
party, for that> > matter,> > it is> > > most efficient to look directly at the
clients -- or as political> > scientist> > Thomas> > > Ferguson would call
them, the 'major investors.'> > > On that level, the ideological contradictions
are unimportant.> Political> > parties do> > > function as mediating
institutions, just not for voters."> > >> > > -- William Greider, "Who Will
Tell the People"> >> > Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed
from EV's into> > politics...> >> > Best regards,> >> > Rush Dougherty> >
TucsonEV> > www.TucsonEV.com> >> >> >> >> >
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