On Apr 5, 2013, at 8:02 AM, janI wrote: > On 5 April 2013 16:52, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:37 AM, janI <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> On 5 April 2013 14:50, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/5/13 6:01 AM, Samer Mansour wrote: >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Can I propose we move forward with this logo: >>>> http://imagebin.org/252847 >>>>>> I kept the current official blue for both the logo and word 'Open' >> in >>>> the >>>>>> wordmark because the word 'Open' gets less emphasis with the >> lighter >>>>> blue. >>>>>> I also gave the text Apache a placement inside the valley made by >> the >>>> two >>>>>> O's as many people's designs had suggested. >>>>>> The font is Roboto Condensed which is Apache 2.0 Licensed. >>>>> >>>>> mmh, I don't think that it would be a good approach if we simply move >>>>> forward with this one. We collected several proposals over weeks now >>> and >>>>> it is still not easy to pick the serious ones. >>>>> >>>>> We should summarize what we have, maybe drop the obvious bad ones and >>>>> start a first vote. the 3 best voted proposals will be reviewed in >> more >>>>> detail if they fulfill our requirements and if we can appropriate >>>>> further brand elements like icons, app icon, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Maybe call the initial thing a "poll" rather than a "vote". It is a >> form >>>> of testing, really, gathering feedback in a structured way. But it is >>> not >>>> a decision-making process. We could put the top 3 into a blog post and >>>> gather feedback and preferences on blog, mailing list, facebook, etc. >>>> We'll also get 'expert opinion' from those who understand logos well. >>> This >>>> all gives the PMC some solid information, from community members, >> users, >>>> experts, etc., to make a final decision. Ideally these sources concur >> on >>>> their preferences. But there might be divergent views. But the PMC >>>> decides in the end. >>>> >>> >>> I have lost the overview of how many logos are in competition, since it >> do >>> not follow this theme intensively. I have seen at least one I really >> liked, >>> but to fair I think we should make one page (mwiki/cwiki or something >> else) >>> where everybody can see the competing logos side by side. The logos >> should >>> each be structured as Web-logo, software-logo and favicon (many seems to >>> forget this important part). With such a page the community can give >> their >>> opinion (I agree with rob, no vote just a poll), and the 3 best, go in a >>> second round, and of course pmc officially decide, but I am pretty sure >>> they will follow the opinion of the community. >>> >>> I personally would not take the 3 best to a blog/facebook etc....this is >>> "our" product, and we the community decide how to present it to the >>> end-users. >>> >>> >> I think of the Facebook thing would be more a poll then a decision making >> process. It is another source of info. As a PMC member, the more data I >> have to help make decisions the better. I'd weigh heavily community >> opinion on our mailing lists, but I'd also be interesting in taking the >> pulse of ordinary users who are seeing these things for the first time with >> a fresh perspecitve, as well as the opinions of experts. It is all data. >> It is all good. >> >> It is "our" product, yes, but the logo is not for our private adoration. >> It is functional, in the sense that its distinctiveness and recognizably is >> as important as its aesthetics. Personally, to make up my mind, I need to >> have feedback on how "outsiders" see and mentally process the logo, and not >> just how project "insiders" see it. I think it needs to work well for all. >> > > Point taken, now I understand your view better and agree with it. But I > would still like to see all logos on a single page in the 3 variants, that > would help me and others make up our minds, and give you as PMC better > input.
All logos on a new wiki page. If a designer wants to remove some of their designs from consideration now would be the time. I agree with having a poll. Keep track of the source of each set of results. Interpret the poll here on the list. If there is no consensus on the best choice then we have a vote. If there are more than 2 possible best choices we can use a ranked choice voting method. Seems like a plan. Would be something to start next week. Maybe Tuesday? Regards, Dave > > rgds > jan I. > > >> -Rob >> >> >> >>> Rgds >>> Jan I. >>> >>> -Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Then start the final vote. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion >>>>> >>>>> Juergen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The source file is an SVG created in Inkscape. The above is a png >>>> export. >>>>>> >>>>>> Samer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Samer Mansour <samer...@gmail.com >>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will wait a few more days but it sounds like the group will be >>> able >>>> to >>>>>>> come to a consensus on refreshing the orb in some way or another. >>> We >>>>> can >>>>>>> proceed with finalizing this logo proposal if no one objectifies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Kadal Amutham <vka...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A flat logo may be good for Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, >>>> Twitter >>>>>>>> since they have money power to promote. What AOO needs is a good >>>>> looking >>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With Warm Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> V.Kadal Amutham >>>>>>>> 919444360480 >>>>>>>> 914422396480 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 March 2013 18:17, Juergen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Am Samstag, 30. März 2013 um 03:05 schrieb Alexandro Colorado: >>>>>>>>>> On 3/29/13, Robin Fowler <robin.fow...@outlook.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Due to the opinions I've seen so far I've decided to make a >> new >>>>>>>> design: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27846912/OO_4_final_design_Robin-Fowler.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1364582663662 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is a tweak, without the orb. Looks pretty olympic. >>>>>>>>>> http://imagebin.org/252139 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> maybe I am confused but I thought that we want something like >> the >>>> orb >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> can be used standalone with the name. For ample for buttons, >>>> stickers >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Juergen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Overall it has a flat look and yet still some depth to make it >>>> stand >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>> from the microsoft brand. I think it is also important to >> think >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> form itself, the silhouette should ideally be recognisable on >>> its >>>>>>>> own, >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>> is one reason using the apache feather is a good idea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some other thoughts: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One of the problems i see with a lot of the proposals is the >>> lack >>>> of >>>>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>> given to typography. It seems the text is just slapped on as >> an >>>>>>>>>>> afterthought, in many cases the 'apache' is floating somewhere >>>>>>>> randomly >>>>>>>>>>> above 'openoffice'. Think of what you want the logo to imply, >> it >>>>>>>>> should not >>>>>>>>>>> look disorganised. Another thing worth pointing out is the >>> kerning >>>>>>>>> (spacing >>>>>>>>>>> between letters) which could be optimised on some of the >>>> proposals. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There was a long discussion about the typography, starting with >>> an >>>>>>>>>> open typography, and also a more artistic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is an extremely important aspect of the whole logo design >>> and >>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>>> considered when choosing a design. After all, many logos >> consist >>>> of >>>>>>>>> nothing >>>>>>>>>>> other than text. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I also want to say i really like Vasilis Xenofontos design. It >>>> might >>>>>>>>> be too >>>>>>>>>>> different from the current, but it's a very good logo imo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Robin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Mar 2013, at 12:38, Samer Mansour <samer...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robin brought up a good point that we should pick a logo >> before >>>> we >>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>>> work on the application artifacts or the website as it will >>>>>>>> influence >>>>>>>>>>>> those. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I initially was excited that we could have a new logo, an >>>>>>>>> opportunity to >>>>>>>>>>>> change the face of OpenOffice. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But after I saw Chris R. proposal I convinced myself >> refreshing >>>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>> re-branding was the better path. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I would like to start a conversation that will hopefully >>> give >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>> strong >>>>>>>>>>>> arguments to picking a logo. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I already mentioned I liked the flat logo. >>>>>>>>>>>> Here are reasons: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - It is very similar to the current logo and that logo has a >>>>>>>> history >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> being recognized. >>>>>>>>>>>> - Flat is 'in', easily recognizable on and works well on >> social >>>>>>>>>>>> platforms, >>>>>>>>>>>> screens and print media. (Think corporate and product logos >> of >>>>>>>> today, >>>>>>>>>>>> recently Pepsi, Domino's, Microsoft, Skype, Twitter) >>>>>>>>>>>> - This logo can be severed from the word mark to make it fit >>> in a >>>>>>>>> square >>>>>>>>>>>> and still carry the branding image. Icons, site, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> - A middle ground for community members who like the current >>>> logo. >>>>>>>>> Who >>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>> to achieve a new image of 4.0 without tossing history. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Looking back, we had lots of ideas but it only took me a >> moment >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> i >>>>>>>>>>>> saw >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris r.'s proposal to realize the logo didn't need to be >>> complex >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> completely new. That simple was actually beautiful. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? Agree? 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