вт, 6 апр. 2021 г. в 03:02, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>: > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:59 AM Johan Corveleyn <jcor...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <dferra...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, > > > distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar > > > that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of > > > manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want > > > and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the > > > opposite, which is worse. > > > > > > ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want, > > > time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work > > > professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using > > > this kind of "corporate encouragement". > > > > > > I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that > > > does not make me like it anyway. > > > > +1, not a fan of such badges either. > > > > In our often volunteer-driven projects it's already difficult, IMHO, > > to make a new PMC member feel empowered just as much as the old-timer > > that's been around for 20 years, perhaps even founded the project. In > > my experience, such badges often scare away new people (who might be > > very talented / have great, fresh ideas), if they get the feeling that > > it's an old-guru-club. Especially if during discussions some people's > > arguments are given more weight, just because they wear a badge. > > > > But isn't the whole ASF built around an individual merit and 'badges' ? > Commiter, Project PMC, ASF member, ASF PMC status is all about "earned > authority" and badges. > By definition when you are a new person in any ASF project, you have no > rights whatsoever, you have to earn it by what you say and do. And you get > to wear a "badge" of a committer and then PMC when you earn it.
Certainly not. The essential thing that you earn is trust. Not some guaranteed rights or benefits. Once you earn trust, and are seen as a member of the community, and there is a consensus among the existing members, you are being invited. It is a community thing, you are invited to the community. It is not earned by a certain predefined number of commits, patches or any other KPI. Those commits, patches, mail messages are means of communication, means to showcase yourself. Rereading the original proposal (the message by Matthew Sacks that started this thread), пн, 5 апр. 2021 г. в 11:42, Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com>: > [...] > I’m thinking to list the following on the badge: > - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc > - year joined > [...] > What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing. Well, OK. I share the same concerns as were stated earlier by Daniel Ferradal, but as what is proposed is not a KPI of some sort, then OK. I agree. It also needs values for the emeritus status. Essentially, it is a short replacement for a biography page. Best regards, Konstantin Kolinko https://stackoverflow.com/users/4116988/konstantin-kolinko --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
