Hi Matthew, Your message makes me think you did not get past Daniel's first eight words.
If you read the message, he gives a few reasons to dislike badges. Your snarky response is not a good example of healthy community discussion. Craig > On Apr 5, 2021, at 4:14 PM, Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com> wrote: > > Thanks for your input. > > “I don’t like it” is your only reason? > > Perhaps we should get rid of the corporate thank you page? > > > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:47 PM Daniel Ferradal <dferra...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> In my humble opinion, I don't like labels, medals, awards, bands, >> distinctions, badges, ribbons, stars, trophies or anything similar >> that distinguish anyone from any other. As I see it, it's a form of >> manipulation to persuade people to achieve more than they might want >> and may probably lead to people feeling better than others or just the >> opposite, which is worse. >> >> ASF being what it is, all volunteers doing whatever they can or want, >> time, life, family or will permits, but a necessary few that work >> professionally to maintain operation, I don't like the idea of using >> this kind of "corporate encouragement". >> >> I understand the idea behind this is probably well meant, but that >> does not make me like it anyway. >> >> Cheers. >> >> El lun, 5 abr 2021 a las 18:06, Matthew Sacks >> (<matt...@matthewsacks.com>) escribió: >>> >>> If I can get a vm as you suggested I’m happy to start a PoC. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:52 AM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/5/21 10:46 AM, Matthew Sacks wrote: >>>>> So far response has been more yay than nay. >>>>> >>>>> Next steps to turn this into a teak initiative? >>>>> >>>>> Vote? >>>>> >>>>> Podling setup or is this going to be an Infra service? >>>> >>>> There are, I believe, two possible ways forward here: >>>> >>>> 1) We request a VM from infra, and someone volunteers to stand this up >>>> and maintain it. >>>> >>>> 2) We persuade Infra that this is a necessary service that they should >>>> host for the Foundation. >>>> >>>> My recommendation would be to go route 1 to start, and then judge, >> based >>>> on adoption, whether 2 is justified. The problem with 1, of course, is >>>> that it requires a volunteer who is willing to move forward with it and >>>> keep it alive. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The https://www.badgr.org looks like a good way to implement, maybe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 7:25 AM Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This sounds cool! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 08:20, lidong dai <dailidon...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wow, I like this idea very much! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best Regards >>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>> DolphinScheduler PMC chair >>>>>>> Lidong Dai >>>>>>> dailidon...@gmail.com >>>>>>> --------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM Matthew Sacks < >> matt...@matthewsacks.com >>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note text: “something like”. I didn’t advocate using NFT’s >> themselves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:43 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AaaaH .. No NFT please :). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> J. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 2:30 PM Matthew Sacks < >>>>>> matt...@matthewsacks.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does Badgr have some kind of certification method to validate >> the >>>>>> badge >>>>>>>>>> authenticity? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking something like NFT’s for the badge graphic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 5:26 AM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/21 8:19 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I had a similar idea some years back, but with a slightly more >>>>>>>>>>>> tongue-in-cheek approach. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Some sample "merits" I had in mind then: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 commits within a year >>>>>>>>>>>> - 5,000 commits in total >>>>>>>>>>>> - 1,000 emails to our lists >>>>>>>>>>>> - Annoyed Sally more than 5 times >>>>>>>>>>>> - Caused at least one CVE >>>>>>>>>>>> - *Fixed* at least that one CVE... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can see what I'm talking about. It's probably not >>>>>> what >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>>>> people would be wanting... :p (I would tick all the above >>>>>> boxes >>>>>>>>> btw!) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But activity-based merits could be a fun comdev projects. We >>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>>>> to the stats through Kibble, so we could auto-generate a bunch >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Elsewhere in the thread I mention https://www.badgr.org/ which >>>>>> has a >>>>>>>>>>> small advantage that it already exists and has an active >>>>>> developer >>>>>>>>>>> community. I wonder what ability there is to feed data from >>>>>> Kibble >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>>> Badgr. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And I think I qualify for the "Annoyed Sally" badge a *bunch* >> of >>>>>>>> times >>>>>>>>>>> over. :D >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --Rich >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 05/04/2021 14.10, Jarek Potiuk wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's very similar to what has already been done at the >>>>>> ApacheCon >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. you got the "badges" that you could attach to your >>>>>> generic >>>>>>>>>>>>> "conference badge". >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/wusheng1108/status/1171101885664595968 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> J. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 1:43 PM Liu Ted >>>>>> <tedl...@yahoo.com.invalid >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like this idea. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted Liu >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 在 2021 年 4月 月 5 日週一，時間：16:42 ， Matthew Sacks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <matt...@matthewsacks.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 寫道： Summary: Digital Merit badges >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF participation and responsibility are based on merit. So >>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit-based organizations, why not have a digital merit >>>>>> badge. It >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow your name and summarize your involvement and >>>>>> contributions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (volunteer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer, member, board member, founding member, etc.). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, what projects you work on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other examples of design: Trust Certification badges: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> https://trustarc.com/truste-certifications/enterprise-privacy-certification/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What it’s not: social score, that’s not what I’m proposing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If an ASF member, committee, and volunteer involvement are >>>>>> based >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> merit, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not have a digital merit badge that shows what they’ve >>>>>> done? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like other organizations based on merit, there are usually >>>>>> badges >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognizing one's contributions to that contributor. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m thinking to list the following on the badge: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - committer, member, volunteer, board member, founder, etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - year joined >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you click the badge, it will take you to a profile page >>>>>> with: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Projects they contribute/contributed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apachcon participation, presentations, etc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Apache.org personal homepage (if they have one) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a marketing perspective, it also expands the ASF >>>>>> “brand” >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reputation. You have many of the best software engineers and >>>>>> IT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals in the world helping make better software >>>>>> available >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commercial companies as well as public organizations and >>>>>>>>> individuals >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If LinkedIn displayed a dynamically generated badge >>>>>> validated by >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF-hosted infra API (blockchain validated) on Roy Fielding >>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> JimJag’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn page, for example, wouldn’t that be of interest in >>>>>>>>> expanding >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach? It could increase volunteering, donations, page >>>>>> views, and >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefits. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not just LinkedIn, but maybe RedHat, Microsoft, maybe Apple >>>>>>>>> (probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oracle, IBM, AWS, Google could get a Platinum sponsor badge >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> show >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride for supporting the ASF as a major corporation. More >>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporations will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow suit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >> dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com >>>>>>>>>>> @rbowen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> +48 660 796 129 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thank you, Matthew >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Thank you, Matthew >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rich Bowen >>>> rbo...@rcbowen.com >>>> >>> -- >>> Thank you, Matthew >> >> >> >> -- >> Daniel Ferradal >> HTTPD Project >> #httpd help at Freenode >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> -- > Thank you, Matthew Craig L Russell c...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
