+1 for the 3/28 Feature Freeze. If we try to close on the Feature Freeze sooner than when we are ready, we will end up finding more blockers/criticals and end up spending more time on bug fixing. This could potentially result in moving the RC? So, bottom line - it is like we pay now or pay later!
-----Original Message----- From: Marcus [mailto:shadow...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:54 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze Perhaps we just need to reduce overlap. Most people work on 4.3 until it's out the door, I think. Personally, I have a hard time straddling the two during this phase. On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Ram Ganesh <ram.gan...@citrix.com> wrote: > I agree on the RC process! Few thoughts from my end > > - I see a rush of "request to cherry pick 4.3" requests from > committers. This may be a burden for an RM. We can simplify it by RM > responding to the email with "OK to commit" or "Not ok to commit" email > response. This should free up some time for RM to concentrate on other > critical issues > - Between 2 RC cycles we need to have enough time so that > other blocker bugs are identified and we finalize only these need to > be fixed in the next RC cycle. What we found is new blocker issues are > raised during every RC cycle. Also we need to take a hard look at the > bug raised during these RC cycle and do a reality check if these are > actually blocker bugs or can be fixed in one of our maintenance > builds\cycles > > If my memory serves better during 4.1 release we had an opposite > problem wherein we though developers moved on with 4.2 release and > thereby impacting the quality of 4.1 release. I would say we should be > flexible with our dates but definitely not way off the radar > > Thanks, > RamG > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Kinsella [mailto:j...@stratosec.co] >> Sent: 27 February 2014 08:52 >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >> I don't see not moving the freeze date as a penalty. If a feature >> doesn't make the current deadline, it moves to the next release, >> which is still a few months away. For significant issues, it's not >> uncommon for us to allow them in late. >> >> What we have a stronger need for than shifting a date, by several >> orders of magnitude, is understanding why the RC process took so long >> and what we can do in the future to make that not so painful. >> >> For the record I'm +0 on moving the feature freeze date. >> >> John >> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:10 PM, Ram Ganesh <ram.gan...@citrix.com> wrote: >> >> > I share it too. Many developers in the community went out of their >> > way to get a cleaner RC and thereby impacting their feature >> > development efforts. We shouldn't be penalizing them with this 2 >> > week's feature freeze schedule >> > >> > Thanks, >> > RamG >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >> >> Sent: 27 February 2014 03:00 >> >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> >> Subject: RE: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >> >> >> Mike I share your opinion most of us have been pretty much on 4.3 >> >> until now, and pushing out the release seems reasonable. As I >> >> called out in earlier mail the feature proposal date was not >> >> called out for >> >> 4.4 and as such giving little extra room seems reasonable. >> >> >> >> Animesh >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Mike Tutkowski [mailto:mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com] >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:29 AM >> >>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> >>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >>> >> >>> I think we're having this discussion after every release because >> >>> we're beginning to realize that a four-month release cycle has >> >>> not been very realistic for us yet. >> >>> >> >>> The main issue I encounter is our month-long RC cycle where I >> >>> spend a bunch of time validating the RC and (during that >> >>> timeframe) less time developing for the next release as I had initially >> >>> planned. >> >>> >> >>> Perhaps instead of extending the cycle we could consider ways to >> >>> actually meet the schedule on a consistent basis. That would be >> >>> fine, as >> >> well. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Hugo Trippaers >> >>> <h...@trippaers.nl> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> -1 on postponing the feature freeze. We are having this >> >>>> discussion after every release, however we agreed to do a 4 >> >>>> month cycle so let's stick >> >>> to it. >> >>>> >> >>>> If there are important features that are currently being >> >>>> developed but might not make this cut-off date we should discuss >> >>>> that separately, but as a point of principle lets stick to the >> >>>> release schedule as >> >> proposed. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers, >> >>>> >> >>>> Hugo >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 26 feb. 2014, at 15:23, Tracy Phillips >> >>>> <tracy.phill...@weberize.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> +1 to Daan. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tracy Phillips >> >>>>> Weberize, Inc. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Daan Hoogland >> >>>>> <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> -1 for postponing the feature freeze. It will amount to more >> >>>>>> features in the release. I'd rather shorten the cycle and do >> >>>>>> more releases then to pack more bugs in a single go. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Guo Star >> >>>>>> <ghxand...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> +1 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2014-02-26 20:01 GMT+08:00 Abhinandan Prateek < >> >>>>>> abhinandan.prat...@citrix.com >> >>>>>>>> : >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> +1 for 4.4 feature freeze on 3/28. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 26/02/14 10:01 am, "Sateesh Chodapuneedi" >> >>>>>>>> <sateesh.chodapune...@citrix.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>> From: Mike Tutkowski [mailto:mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com] >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 26 February 2014 04:46 >> >>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think this is a good idea, Animesh (to push out feature >> >>>>>>>>>> freeze to 3/28). >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> +1 to move 4.4 feature freeze date to 3/28. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>>>>> Sateesh >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I also agree we should discuss 4+ month development cycles >> >> again. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi < >> >>>>>>>>>> animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I will start a separate discussion on 4 month cycle or >> >>>>>>>>>>> longer, but wanted to call out one more important date. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> We have a last day for feature proposal date which is >> >>>>>>>>>>> typically a month before feature freeze date. If >> >>>>>>>>>>> following >> >>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 schedule + 4 >> >>>>>> month >> >>>>>>>>>>> it would have been 2/14 and we are already past that. >> >>>>>>>>>>> Since it was >> >>>>>> not >> >>>>>>>>>>> announced for >> >>>>>>>>>>> 4.4 release yet my suggestion would be to keep feature >> >>>>>>>>>>> proposal >> >>>>>> open >> >>>>>>>>>>> for another week and push all the dates out by 2 weeks >> >>>>>>>>>>> to give >> >>>>>> folks >> >>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to finish up their features for new proposals >> >>>>>>>>>>> that are >> >>>>>> yet >> >>>>>>>>>>> to come out. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> To be clear that would mean pushing out feature freeze to >> >>>>>>>>>>> 3/28 from >> >>>>>>>>>>> 3/14 and all the other dates likewise. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>>>> Animesh >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Animesh Chaturvedi >> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 1:05 PM >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> With the experience of 4.2 and 4.3 I think we should >> >>>>>>>>>>>> discuss if >> >>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>>>> can realistically achieve 4 month cycle our RCs take 2 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> months. I >> >>>>>> was >> >>>>>>>>>>>> going to open up the discussion after 4.3 is shipped though. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Trippie [mailto:trip...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of >> Hugo >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trippaers >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <dev@cloudstack.apache.org> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If we stick to our 4 month release schedule the feature >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> four months after the feature freeze of 4.3. The >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> feature >> >>>>>> freeze of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3 was >> >>>>>>>>>>> 8 Nov >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2013. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So the proposed release schedule for 4.4 would look >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like this (dates slightly modified to take efficiency >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and RM's personal >> >>>>>> life >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into >> >>>>>>>>>>> account ;-) ): >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Feature Freeze: March 14, 2014 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Testing/Bug Fixes: March 15, 2014 till April >> >>>>>> 18, >> >>>>>>>>>> 2014 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (direct access for committers) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stability Fixes only: April 19, 2014 till >> >>>>>>>>>>> release (cherry picks >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> by RM only) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> First RC: May 9, 2014 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Optimistic Release Date: May 19, 2014 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hugo >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 25 feb. 2014, at 16:35, Sudha Ponnaganti >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <sudha.ponnaga...@citrix.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am also looking for feature freeze dates for 4.4. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can RM >> >>>>>> post >> >>>>>>>>>>> those? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> /Sudha >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Alex Hitchins >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com] >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:00 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: 4.4 Feature Freeze >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> All, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know the 4.3 isn't quite out the door yet, but is >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there a timetable >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhere stating when the feature freeze for 4.4 will be? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to submit a feature and want to ensure >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that It's prepared in >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Hitchins >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VP Software Engineering >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 20 3603 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0540<tel:+442036030540> >> >>>>>> | >> >>>>>>>>>> M: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +44<tel:+447968161581> 7788 423 969 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ShapeBlue Ltd, 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, >> London, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WC2N >> >>>>>> 4HS >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Need Enterprise Grade Support for Apache CloudStack? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our CloudStack Infrastructure >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> infrastructure-support/> offers the best 24/7 SLA for >> >>>>>> CloudStack >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Environments. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache CloudStack Bootcamp training courses >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> **NEW!** CloudStack 4.2.1 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> training<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack- >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> training/> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18th-19th February 2014, Brazil. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classroom<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17th-23rd March 2014, Region A. 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