Hi Alex, Apart from agent scripts, there are couple of scripts those gets executed for during the management server startup like injecting ssh keys into systemvm.iso etc.. Still I am in search of any other scripts will get called in management server, though I could not find any as of now.
Thanks & Regards Damodar/ -----Original Message----- From: Alex Huang [mailto:alex.hu...@citrix.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:10 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS Abhi, I think you misunderstood. I meant that it should not depend on things later releases like .net framework. See the following wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework#Versions I would imagine .net framework 3 or 3.5 would be ideal. If you use .net framework 4, then libraries need to be installed and they sometimes have conflicts with existing apps. As for python or shell scripts, I don't see why we should need any python scripts on management server, regardless if it's windows or Linux. Python scripts can be included and executed by agents on Linux systems but I don't see a place for them on the management server. For windows, specifically, asking a windows admin to install python is not unlike asking them to install Cygwin. --Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Abhinandan Prateek [mailto:abhinandan.prat...@citrix.com] > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:31 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > Yes, that is one of the objective to make MS not dependant on cygwin > or any other windows tools and utilities. The bash scripts are all converted > to Python. > > -abhi > > > On 25/02/14 12:06 am, "Alex Huang" <alex.hu...@citrix.com> wrote: > > >One additional requirement I have would be don't use any windows > >components that don't come with the default systems targeted. I know > >it sounds great to use the latest and greatest but actually the end > >users will have to install that and it may mess with their existing > >setup. In this proposal, the purely windows parts are fairly basic > >parts of windows. Don't bind it to libraries that require > >installation of additional libraries. > > > >--Alex > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Donal Lafferty [mailto:donal.laffe...@citrix.com] > >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:00 AM > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > >> I prefer the focus on support that comes with David's suggestion. > >>Targeting > >> the latest stable release for a new platform greatly reduces the > >>number of permutations to test. > >> > >> Pursuing legacy systems limits the flexibility of ACS to evolve. > >>For instance, we'll probably be on Java 7 in the next while, and > >>W2K3 doesn't appear on the supported system list (see > >>https://www.java.com/en/download/help/sysreq.xml). Likewise, older > >>versions of Internet Explorer can be quite different than what > >>Microsoft has recently published. > >> > >> My guess is that the engineering effort to get ACS working on a > >> legacy system makes sense as a consultancy service offered > >> independent > to ACS. > >> That's the case of OS/2 support ;) > >> > >> > >> DL > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Alex Hitchins [mailto:alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com] > >> > Sent: 20 February 2014 14:29 > >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > >> > I agree totally, my point was that while there is nothing > >> > technically stopping us going for w2k3 there is little reason to do so. > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Alex Hitchins > >> > > >> > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > >> > > >> > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > >> > Sent: 20 February 2014 13:24 > >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > >> > There's a difference in incidentally working and validated to work on. > >> > I'd limit focus to making sure it works on 2k12r2. > >> > > >> > --David > >> > > >> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Alex Hitchins > >> > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > >> > > I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - > >> > > that said It's > >> > old and I can't see people having a need for it. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Regards > >> > > > >> > > Alex Hitchins > >> > > > >> > > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > >> > > > >> > > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > >> > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17 > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ? > >> > > > >> > > So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003 > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > Paul Angus > >> > > Cloud Architect > >> > > S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus > >> > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.batt...@citrix.com] > >> > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13 > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks > >> > > Rajesh Battala > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards > >> > > Damodar/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > I have tried to put all together in FS at > >> > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Win > >> > dowsfication as Feedback section and added my comments there. > >> > > > >> > > Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards > >> > > Damodar/ > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > >> > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > Thank you all for your inputs. > >> > > > >> > > I will aggregate all these things into FS as appendix and > >> > > will put comments > >> > there instead of replying here one by one. Once I am done with > >> > update in FS I will notify so that we can verify whether we are > >> > covering all > >>or not. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards > >> > > Damodar/ > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekb...@msn.com] > >> > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM > >> > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > > > >> > > Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no > >> > > of audience and make it more OS independent from its core. As > >> > > far as the tools are concern, I am sure it's achievable, we > >> > > have the most enthusiastic community contributors behind :) > >> > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > > >> > >> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins" > >> > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large > >> > >> number of > >> > Hyper-V hosts? I wonder what ACS would add to that. > >> > >> > >> > >> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> Alex Hitchins > >> > >> > >> > >> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 > >> > >> 969 > >> > >> > >> > >> alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > >> > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49 > >> > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > >> > >> > >> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very > >> > >> unlikely to want > >> > to have Linux based management servers lurking around, because I > >> > think they'll be pretty wedded to Microsoft to want Hyper-V as > >> > the hypervisor. So being able to deploy windows based management > >> > servers seems essential to the use of Hyper-V (for better or worse). > >> > >> > >> > >> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based > >> > >> Enterprises who > >> > also wouldn't like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show. > >> > I guess Microsoft think there is a market for Windows based > >> > private clouds or they wouldn't have created the Behemoth that is > >> > the Azure > >>Pack. > >> > >> > >> > >> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - > >> > >> so how hard can it be? [tic] > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul Angus > >> > >> Cloud Architect > >> > >> S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus > >> > >> paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > >> > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29 > >> > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang > >> > >>> <alex.hu...@citrix.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere > >> > >>> java > >> runs. > >> > However, I see quite a few holes in this proposal. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS > secondary > >> > storage. We need to fix that. Please have a talk with Kelven > >> > about this. I don't see us adding Samba to any machine that runs > >> > the management server. If this is just about seeding the system > >> > template, it can be done as part of installation rather than > >> > management > server. > >> > >>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows > >> > >>> installer, > >> > windows service, opening ports in windows firewall. I don't see > >> > any of that here. Or else it's useless for windows people. > >> > >>> - For java, most people write a windows service that > >> > >>> launches the > >> > jvm and keeps track of the jvm. > >> > >>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management > >> > >>> server does > >> > today at startup that should not be there and those are what > >>complicates > >> the > >> > windowfication. These things should be moved out of the > management > >> > server and into installation. What should be inside the > >> > management server startup procedure should be checks, rather than > >> > generations. > >> > It should check for ssh key exists and the database version > >> > matches etc but it should not do the following. > >> > >>> - Upgrade of the database > >> > >>> - ssh key generation > >> > >>> - iso generation. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> --Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> A couple of more to add to the list. > >> > >> There isn't really a good binary software dependency > >> > >> resolution framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware > >> > >> of) and you potentially need lots of different things - mysql > >> > >> libraries, python, ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell > >> > >> scripts. > >> > >> Look at the list of the dependencies we install in the RPMs > >> > >> for an idea of things that are missing. Is the plan to bundle > >> > >> those in the binaries? (If so, we need to be having a serious > >> > >> discussion around a shift of a number system requirements to > >> > >> dependencies which may or may not be > >> > >> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring > >> > >> in how the > >> > management server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a > >> > short term goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe). 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