I prefer the focus on support that comes with David's suggestion. Targeting the latest stable release for a new platform greatly reduces the number of permutations to test.
Pursuing legacy systems limits the flexibility of ACS to evolve. For instance, we'll probably be on Java 7 in the next while, and W2K3 doesn't appear on the supported system list (see https://www.java.com/en/download/help/sysreq.xml). Likewise, older versions of Internet Explorer can be quite different than what Microsoft has recently published. My guess is that the engineering effort to get ACS working on a legacy system makes sense as a consultancy service offered independent to ACS. That's the case of OS/2 support ;) DL > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Hitchins [mailto:alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com] > Sent: 20 February 2014 14:29 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > I agree totally, my point was that while there is nothing technically stopping > us going for w2k3 there is little reason to do so. > > > Regards > > Alex Hitchins > > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > Sent: 20 February 2014 13:24 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > There's a difference in incidentally working and validated to work on. > I'd limit focus to making sure it works on 2k12r2. > > --David > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Alex Hitchins > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > > I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - that said It's > old and I can't see people having a need for it. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Alex Hitchins > > > > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > > > > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17 > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ? > > > > So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003 > > > > Regards, > > > > Paul Angus > > Cloud Architect > > S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.batt...@citrix.com] > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13 > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2. > > > > Thanks > > Rajesh Battala > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target? > > > > Thanks & Regards > > Damodar/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > I have tried to put all together in FS at > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Win > dowsfication as Feedback section and added my comments there. > > > > Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > Damodar/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > Thank you all for your inputs. > > > > I will aggregate all these things into FS as appendix and will put > > comments > there instead of replying here one by one. Once I am done with update in FS > I will notify so that we can verify whether we are covering all or not. > > > > Thanks & Regards > > Damodar/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekb...@msn.com] > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no of > > audience and make it more OS independent from its core. As far as the > > tools are concern, I am sure it's achievable, we have the most > > enthusiastic community contributors behind :) > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins" > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > >> > >> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large number of > Hyper-V hosts? I wonder what ACS would add to that. > >> > >> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing. > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Alex Hitchins > >> > >> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > >> > >> alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49 > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > >> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very unlikely to want > to have Linux based management servers lurking around, because I think > they'll be pretty wedded to Microsoft to want Hyper-V as the hypervisor. So > being able to deploy windows based management servers seems essential > to the use of Hyper-V (for better or worse). > >> > >> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based Enterprises who > also wouldn't like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show. I guess > Microsoft think there is a market for Windows based private clouds or they > wouldn't have created the Behemoth that is the Azure Pack. > >> > >> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - so how > >> hard can it be? [tic] > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> Paul Angus > >> Cloud Architect > >> S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus > >> paul.an...@shapeblue.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29 > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > >> > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang <alex.hu...@citrix.com> > wrote: > >>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere java runs. > However, I see quite a few holes in this proposal. > >>> > >>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS secondary > storage. We need to fix that. Please have a talk with Kelven about this. I > don't see us adding Samba to any machine that runs the management > server. If this is just about seeding the system template, it can be done as > part of installation rather than management server. > >>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows installer, > windows service, opening ports in windows firewall. I don't see any of that > here. Or else it's useless for windows people. > >>> - For java, most people write a windows service that launches the > jvm and keeps track of the jvm. > >>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management server does > today at startup that should not be there and those are what complicates the > windowfication. These things should be moved out of the management > server and into installation. What should be inside the management server > startup procedure should be checks, rather than generations. It should > check for ssh key exists and the database version matches etc but it should > not do the following. > >>> - Upgrade of the database > >>> - ssh key generation > >>> - iso generation. > >>> > >>> --Alex > >> > >> > >> A couple of more to add to the list. > >> There isn't really a good binary software dependency resolution > >> framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware of) and you > >> potentially need lots of different things - mysql libraries, python, > >> ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell scripts. Look at the list > >> of the dependencies we install in the RPMs for an idea of things that > >> are missing. Is the plan to bundle those in the binaries? (If so, we > >> need to be having a serious discussion around a shift of a number > >> system requirements to dependencies which may or may not be > >> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring in how the > management server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a short term > goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe). If you are going to take on all of the refactoring > work, please start by building tests that prove that it all works today and > then > verify the same behavior in the refactored work. > >> > >> --David > >> Need Enterprise Grade Support for Apache CloudStack? > >> Our CloudStack Infrastructure > Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> offers > the best 24/7 SLA for CloudStack Environments. > >> > >> Apache CloudStack Bootcamp training courses > >> > >> **NEW!** CloudStack 4.2.1 > >> training<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > >> 18th-19th February 2014, Brazil. > >> Classroom<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > >> 17th-23rd March 2014, Region A. Instructor led, > >> On-line<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> > >> 24th-28th March 2014, Region B. 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