One additional requirement I have would be don't use any windows components that don't come with the default systems targeted. I know it sounds great to use the latest and greatest but actually the end users will have to install that and it may mess with their existing setup. In this proposal, the purely windows parts are fairly basic parts of windows. Don't bind it to libraries that require installation of additional libraries.
--Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Donal Lafferty [mailto:donal.laffe...@citrix.com] > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:00 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > I prefer the focus on support that comes with David's suggestion. Targeting > the latest stable release for a new platform greatly reduces the number of > permutations to test. > > Pursuing legacy systems limits the flexibility of ACS to evolve. For > instance, > we'll probably be on Java 7 in the next while, and W2K3 doesn't appear on > the supported system list (see > https://www.java.com/en/download/help/sysreq.xml). Likewise, older > versions of Internet Explorer can be quite different than what Microsoft has > recently published. > > My guess is that the engineering effort to get ACS working on a legacy > system makes sense as a consultancy service offered independent to ACS. > That's the case of OS/2 support ;) > > > DL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alex Hitchins [mailto:alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com] > > Sent: 20 February 2014 14:29 > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > I agree totally, my point was that while there is nothing technically > > stopping us going for w2k3 there is little reason to do so. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Alex Hitchins > > > > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > > > > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > > Sent: 20 February 2014 13:24 > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > There's a difference in incidentally working and validated to work on. > > I'd limit focus to making sure it works on 2k12r2. > > > > --David > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Alex Hitchins > > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > > > I can't think of anything that wouldn't be possible on W2k3 - that > > > said It's > > old and I can't see people having a need for it. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Alex Hitchins > > > > > > D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > > > > > > alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:17 > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > Isn't the hyper-v support dependant on using 2012r2 ? > > > > > > So I don't know if I'd bother with going back as far as 2003 > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Paul Angus > > > Cloud Architect > > > S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: @CloudyAngus > > > paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rajesh Battala [mailto:rajesh.batt...@citrix.com] > > > Sent: 20 February 2014 11:13 > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > AFAIK, it would be windows server 2k3, 2k8 2012, 2012R2. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Rajesh Battala > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 4:32 PM > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > One question I have is, Which version of windows we need to target? > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > Damodar/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 2:04 PM > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > I have tried to put all together in FS at > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Cloudstack+Win > > dowsfication as Feedback section and added my comments there. > > > > > > Please verify once and let me know if anything is to be added there. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > Damodar/ > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Damoder Reddy [mailto:damoder.re...@citrix.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:32 PM > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > Thank you all for your inputs. > > > > > > I will aggregate all these things into FS as appendix and will put > > > comments > > there instead of replying here one by one. Once I am done with update > > in FS I will notify so that we can verify whether we are covering all or > > not. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards > > > Damodar/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: abhisek basu [mailto:abhisekb...@msn.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 9:16 AM > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > > > > > Getting a Windows version will expand ACS reach to a large no of > > > audience and make it more OS independent from its core. As far as > > > the tools are concern, I am sure it's achievable, we have the most > > > enthusiastic community contributors behind :) > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > >> On 16 Feb 2014, at 1:08 am, "Alex Hitchins" > > <alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> I would guess that Windows has tools for managing a large number of > > Hyper-V hosts? I wonder what ACS would add to that. > > >> > > >> I still think it would be a very achievable goal and worth doing. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Alex Hitchins > > >> > > >> D: +44 1892 523 587 | S: +44 2036 030 540 | M: +44 7788 423 969 > > >> > > >> alex.hitch...@shapeblue.com > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:49 > > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > >> Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > >> > > >> My view is that anyone who wants to use Hyper-V is very unlikely to > > >> want > > to have Linux based management servers lurking around, because I think > > they'll be pretty wedded to Microsoft to want Hyper-V as the > > hypervisor. So being able to deploy windows based management servers > > seems essential to the use of Hyper-V (for better or worse). > > >> > > >> I think also there are probably a lot of Windows based Enterprises > > >> who > > also wouldn't like to a couple of stray Linux boxes running the show. > > I guess Microsoft think there is a market for Windows based private > > clouds or they wouldn't have created the Behemoth that is the Azure Pack. > > >> > > >> ...and Apache Tomcat have managed to create a windows port - so how > > >> hard can it be? [tic] > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> > > >> Paul Angus > > >> Cloud Architect > > >> S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +447711418784 | T: CloudyAngus > > >> paul.an...@shapeblue.com > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: David Nalley [mailto:da...@gnsa.us] > > >> Sent: 15 February 2014 18:29 > > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Windowsfication Of ACS > > >> > > >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Alex Huang > > >>> <alex.hu...@citrix.com> > > wrote: > > >>> I see this as that CS management server should run anywhere java > runs. > > However, I see quite a few holes in this proposal. > > >>> > > >>> - Management server should never have mounted the NFS secondary > > storage. We need to fix that. Please have a talk with Kelven about > > this. I don't see us adding Samba to any machine that runs the > > management server. If this is just about seeding the system template, > > it can be done as part of installation rather than management server. > > >>> - If I truly think about Windowsification, I think windows > > >>> installer, > > windows service, opening ports in windows firewall. I don't see any > > of that here. Or else it's useless for windows people. > > >>> - For java, most people write a windows service that > > >>> launches the > > jvm and keeps track of the jvm. > > >>> - There's a number of things that CloudStack management server > > >>> does > > today at startup that should not be there and those are what complicates > the > > windowfication. These things should be moved out of the management > > server and into installation. What should be inside the management > > server startup procedure should be checks, rather than generations. > > It should check for ssh key exists and the database version matches > > etc but it should not do the following. > > >>> - Upgrade of the database > > >>> - ssh key generation > > >>> - iso generation. > > >>> > > >>> --Alex > > >> > > >> > > >> A couple of more to add to the list. > > >> There isn't really a good binary software dependency resolution > > >> framework for Windows (at least not that I am aware of) and you > > >> potentially need lots of different things - mysql libraries, > > >> python, ipmitool, or another shell to execute shell scripts. Look > > >> at the list of the dependencies we install in the RPMs for an idea > > >> of things that are missing. Is the plan to bundle those in the > > >> binaries? (If so, we need to be having a serious discussion around > > >> a shift of a number system requirements to dependencies which may > > >> or may not be > > >> acceptable.) With what appears to be some serious refactoring in > > >> how the > > management server works that Alex outlines and I doubt this is a short > > term goal. (e.g. 4.4 timeframe). 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