I think that this: CASS-ANALYTICS
is actually worse than this CASSANDRA-ANA (or any variation of that). I would just expand CASS to CASSANDRA everywhere, if we dont, then you are trying to say that this CASSANDRA-ANALYTICS is just too long, but this CASS-ANALYTICS isn't. Right ... got it. On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 1:35 PM Štefan Miklošovič <smikloso...@apache.org> wrote: > So we will have: > > > CASSANDRA > > CASS-DRIVER-JAVA > CASS-DRIVER-GO > > CASS-ANALYTICS > > CASS-SIDECAR > > > Isn't it weird that you said that we should not save characters at the > cost of readability while we just use CASS everywhere except the main > project? Why do you think that having "CASS-" will make people > automatically think that this is Cassandra related. No other project in > Apache (afaik) makes the shortcuts like that. > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 1:31 PM Yifan Cai <yc25c...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That is good to know. >> >> My preference would be moving the driver projects and analytics first, >> and renaming the sidecar project later. However, if it is not a concern, I >> am fine with doing the change in bulk, especially if it is more convenient. >> >> - Yifan >> >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 11:24 AM Jon Haddad <j...@rustyrazorblade.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I'm 95% sure it redirects automatically. I believe those redirects also >>> work when moving issues from one project to another, so when we move all >>> the driver issues to their own repos everything should keep working. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 11:21 AM Francisco Guerrero <fran...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is one thing that comes to mind. >>>> >>>> All of the commits in Sidecar have a reference to the JIRA, if we switch >>>> it from CASSANDRASC -> CASS-SIDECAR, will there he redirection of >>>> these tickets? Or will be lose those links and the ability to >>>> automatically >>>> refer to the JIRAs? >>>> >>>> On 2024/10/18 18:17:16 Yifan Cai wrote: >>>> > Anyone know if there are any traps when renaming a JIRA project? >>>> Since we >>>> > are talking about change CASSANDRASC to CASS-SIDECAR. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > - Yifan >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 10:50 AM Patrick McFadin <pmcfa...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > Awesome. Now this is the bikeshedding I'm here for. :popcorn: >>>> > > >>>> > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 5:26 AM Brandon Williams <dri...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > >> I think for the sidecar we need the dash to avoid the typo-likely >>>> > >> 'SSS' wart. I have updated INFRA-26212 to follow >>>> CASS-DRIVER-<LANG>. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Kind Regards, >>>> > >> Brandon >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 4:55 AM Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > Could we also rename CASSANDRASC to CASSSIDECAR ? >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > And tbh, i'd much rather CASS-DRIVER-<lang>, CASS-ANALYTICS and >>>> > >> CASS-SIDECAR >>>> > >> > (but ofc it's not really important) >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>> > >> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 at 23:11, Štefan Miklošovič < >>>> smikloso...@apache.org> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> Interesting, adding "-ana" suffix to a dc which is meant to be >>>> an >>>> > >> analytical one was pretty common in cases I saw. People just want >>>> to look >>>> > >> at it and see the difference, how do they name it then? dc2? Also, >>>> omitting >>>> > >> 2 letters does not seem like a typo to me either. >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> Anyway, we are clearly after the other so CASSANALYTICS be it. >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 3:03 PM Jon Haddad < >>>> j...@rustyrazorblade.com> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> +1 to CASSANALYTICS >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> a fierce -1 to CASSANA. I’ve never once in my life seen this >>>> > >> convention and id prefer clarity over saving a handful of >>>> characters. >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> — >>>> > >> >>> Jon Haddad >>>> > >> >>> Rustyrazorblade Consulting >>>> > >> >>> rustyrazorblade.com >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 1:57 PM Štefan Miklošovič < >>>> > >> smikloso...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> CASSANA would do it. CASSANALYTICS is just too long. People >>>> are used >>>> > >> to the terminology of "ana" e.g. when naming their analytics data >>>> centers. >>>> > >> >>>> >>>> > >> >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 2:55 PM Bernardo Botella < >>>> > >> conta...@bernardobotella.com> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>> +1 to CASSANALYTICS >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>> On Oct 17, 2024, at 1:48 PM, Yifan Cai <yc25c...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>> yep. CASSANALYTICS sounds good to me. +1 >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 1:45 PM Francisco Guerrero < >>>> > >> fran...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > Can we include Cassandra Analytics to the infra ticket? I >>>> am >>>> > >> looking >>>> > >> >>>>>> > forward to jira project name suggestions for it... >>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> How about CASSANALYTICS ? >>>> > >> >>>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> On 2024/10/17 18:50:45 Yifan Cai wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > Can we include Cassandra Analytics to the infra ticket? I >>>> am >>>> > >> looking >>>> > >> >>>>>> > forward to jira project name suggestions for it... >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > - Yifan >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 10:46 AM Patrick McFadin < >>>> > >> pmcfa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > I think it needs a bit more blue. Maybe some pink >>>> stripes. >>>> > >> I'll file a >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > Jira. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 9:01 AM Brandon Williams < >>>> > >> dri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Thanks everyone, I've created >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-26212 >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Kind Regards, >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Brandon >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 9:55 AM Ekaterina Dimitrova >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> <e.dimitr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > It would have been nice to be in red italic but… :-) >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > Thanks, Brandon, +1 to the suggestion on my end too. >>>> Sounds >>>> > >> reasonable >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> to me >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 at 17:50, Abe Ratnofsky < >>>> a...@aber.io> >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> +1 to CASSDRIVER-JAVA et al. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> On Oct 17, 2024, at 10:37 AM, Jon Haddad < >>>> > >> j...@rustyrazorblade.com> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> Sgtm, let’s ship it >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> +1 >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 4:09 AM Brandon Williams < >>>> > >> dri...@gmail.com> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> Nobody wants to suggest a color for this >>>> bikeshed? I'll >>>> > >> start: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> CASSDRIVER-<language>. I'd like to get on this >>>> sooner >>>> > >> than later since >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> during the time we wait the situation worsens. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> Kind Regards, >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> Brandon >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 5:07 PM Brandon Williams < >>>> > >> dri...@gmail.com> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > I think we just need to ask infra to create the >>>> jira >>>> > >> instances, but >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > guess we need to have some kind of consistent >>>> naming >>>> > >> scheme to help >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > identify them? >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > Kind Regards, >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > Brandon >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 1:02 PM Francisco >>>> Guerrero < >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> fran...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > +1 too on the points brought by Mick, we need >>>> more >>>> > >> visibility into >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > subprojects. For starters, we should look into >>>> > >> integrating Qbot >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > notifications in #cassandra-dev and >>>> #cassandra-noise >>>> > >> for >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > CASSANDRASC tickets. Let me know if I can help >>>> with >>>> > >> that. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > On 2024/10/02 17:39:28 Yifan Cai wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > +1 on all the points raised by Mick. Please >>>> let me >>>> > >> know if >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> there is >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > anything I can help with. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > - Yifan >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 8:13 AM Josh McKenzie >>>> < >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> jmcken...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - Qbot notifications in #cassandra-dev and >>>> > >> #cassandra-noise , >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> as well as >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > in any subproject channels >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - some cadence of dev@ ML updates, e.g. on >>>> > >> activities, or >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> dependency >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > changes, etc >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - regular releases >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > Agree on all 3 points. Also - I've >>>> *definitely* >>>> > >> fallen off on >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> the project >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > updates for mainline; I'll pick that back >>>> up >>>> > >> after ApacheCon. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024, at 1:57 AM, Mick Semb >>>> Wever >>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > To play devil's advocate here, it's >>>> important >>>> > >> that the >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> subprojects don't >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > lose visibility and silo from the rest of >>>> the >>>> > >> project. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > There are different ways to solve this, and >>>> > >> lumping >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> everything into one >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > jira project is a messy and poor way of >>>> doing >>>> > >> it. But as the >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> sidecar has >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > shown us, subproject activity should >>>> somehow be >>>> > >> made noisy to >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> us. We need >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > sorts of common spaces in the project. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > If we go the separate jira project route, >>>> then >>>> > >> some >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> suggestions to help >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > with this are: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - Qbot notifications in #cassandra-dev and >>>> > >> #cassandra-noise , >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> as well as >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > in any subproject channels >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - some cadence of dev@ ML updates, e.g. on >>>> > >> activities, or >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> dependency >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > changes, etc >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > - regular releases >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2024 at 04:11, Dinesh Joshi < >>>> > >> djo...@apache.org> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > hi folks - sorry to have dropped the ball >>>> on >>>> > >> responding to >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> this thread. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > My 2 cents are as follows - >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > 1. Having a separate JIRA project for each >>>> > >> sub-project will >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> add management >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > overhead. This option, however, allows us >>>> to >>>> > >> model unique >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> workflows for the >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > sub-project. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > 2. Managing the sub-project as part of the >>>> > >> Cassandra JIRA >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> project would >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > imply less management overhead but the >>>> > >> sub-project would need >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> to conform to >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > the same workflows. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > I would pick option 1 unless there is a >>>> strong >>>> > >> reason and >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> desire to manage >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > a separate Jira project. We can always >>>> split out >>>> > >> the Java >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Driver project if >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > things don't work out. OTOH merging a Jira >>>> > >> project is harder. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > Thanks, >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > Dinesh >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 12:45 PM Abe >>>> Ratnofsky < >>>> > >> a...@aber.io> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> wrote: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > CEP-8 proposes using separate Jira >>>> projects per >>>> > >> Cassandra >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> sub-project: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/CEP-8%3A+DataStax+Drivers+Donation >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > > We suggest distinct Jira projects, one >>>> per >>>> > >> driver, all to >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> be created. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > I don't see any discussion changing that >>>> from the >>>> > >> [DISCUSS] >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> or vote >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > threads: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/01pljcncyjyo467l5orh8nf9okrh7oxm >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/opt630do09phh7hlt28odztxdv6g58dp >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/crolkrhd4y6tt3k4hsy204xomshlcp4p >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > But looks like upon acceptance that was >>>> changed: >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/dhov01s8dvvh3882oxhkmmfv4tqdd68o >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > > New issues will be tracked under the >>>> CASSANDRA >>>> > >> project on >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Apache’s JIRA < >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/CASSANDRA> >>>> > >> under the >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> component >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > ‘Client/java-driver’. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > I'm in favor of using the same Jira as >>>> Cassandra >>>> > >> proper. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Committership is >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > project-wide, so having a standardized >>>> process >>>> > >> (same ticket >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> flow, review >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > rules, labels, etc. is beneficial). But >>>> multiple >>>> > >> votes >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> happened based on >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > the content of the CEP, so we should stick >>>> to >>>> > >> what was voted >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> on and move to >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > a separate Jira. >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > -- >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > Abe >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>> > > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>>> > > >>>> > >> >>>>>> > >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>>> >>>> > >> >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>>
