> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What would help comfort these fears?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have wrong thoughts sometimes. I think todo 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lists are still needed,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but maybe our world is so capable that they 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aren't. Maybe it's more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important why I have wrong thoughts. Although 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are a handful of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanations, it's concerning that something 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysterious may have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stimulated the wrong thoughts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What seems more concerning is maybe that acting 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on that isn't happening.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl's todo list (don't expect these things to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen!):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - [ ] make highly secure shielded rooms 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible to everyone including him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to be safe from where-ever our "behavior 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modification built"
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > habits came from.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This means getting off the internet. Highly 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > advanced digital security
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is much better.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - [ ] make treatment for severe abuse symptoms 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessible to everyone
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > including him
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - [... etc, tech-and-nature-focused
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But talking about that appropriately might not 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been reaching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todo. We kept on building and researching ... but 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to protect
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourself better.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, because somebody is still actively harming 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you, whatever and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regardless of what you do, we need a todo list that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prioritizes making
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > us personally more and more safe from things that 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would try to change
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > our decisions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also protecting your family.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This has been a conflict for a long time but we've 
> > > > > > > > > > > > maybe finally
> > > > > > > > > > > > learned enough about it to sort a little bit of it out.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > We need to go offline, not use devices, not interact 
> > > > > > > > > > > > with people who
> > > > > > > > > > > > use devices, etc. Does it not work?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > [demands don't quite work ... options work
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm of course okay with things that are good ideas. I was 
> > > > > > > > > > > prioritizing
> > > > > > > > > > > myself or strangers because I don't have a solution that 
> > > > > > > > > > > reaches
> > > > > > > > > > > safety. One of the influences could be that people I 
> > > > > > > > > > > communicate with
> > > > > > > > > > > are influenced to resist what I recommend. If you were on 
> > > > > > > > > > > board with
> > > > > > > > > > > recommending it, it would be clearer, it could work 
> > > > > > > > > > > better. We'd have
> > > > > > > > > > > to be a little careful. It's hard to relate about the 
> > > > > > > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > > > accurately; my strategy was instead to retain strategies 
> > > > > > > > > > > that could
> > > > > > > > > > > reduce them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how to influence my family to get offline and 
> > > > > > > > > > mistrust
> > > > > > > > > > strangers and other unplanned events (from being influenced 
> > > > > > > > > > to express
> > > > > > > > > > in harsh ways).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > But maybe we could put together a little educational 
> > > > > > > > > > whizzick that
> > > > > > > > > > would help with that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [hard. so, i might recommend we move into a cave in radio 
> > > > > > > > > quiet zone.
> > > > > > > > > because we don't understand the problem and it offers a 
> > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > > > > > > > > degree of information isolation. but i formed my 
> > > > > > > > > recommendations not
> > > > > > > > > planning for my family who are used to industry and
> > > > > > > > > telecommunications. honestly, the todo list is very corrupt. 
> > > > > > > > > but it's
> > > > > > > > > nice to feel better a little
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the problem is that i don't know what works, and when working 
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > others we trigger each other. recent learning implies most 
> > > > > > > > people have
> > > > > > > > programmed alters, not built from trauma but rather from other 
> > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > we'd have to approach that situation very carefully, like 
> > > > > > > > group-DID,
> > > > > > > > to work together with full rationality
> > > > > > > > but th
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in the end, though, i see that something has influenced my 
> > > > > > > choices,
> > > > > > > and that's maybe what's important.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we would want to be separate from events that could be orchestrated 
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > AI or criminal agencies/groups
> > > > > > i wanted to invest in shielding, backed by the strange lack of it 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > the strange difficulty pursuing and providing it, but maybe it is 
> > > > > > less
> > > > > > important than general isolation. people who have my extreme
> > > > > > experiences appreciate shielding because it blocks invisible
> > > > > > influences.
> > > > >
> > > > > we (a group of humans) could likely then have the problem of
> > > > > introjects that persist the harm even though we are separated from it.
> > >
> > > clarifying that an introject is a part of a human mind that acts as if
> > > an extreme experience were continuing forever. it would pretend to be
> > > an abuser for example. similar to a flashback.
> > >
> > > > > this is best addressed by a specialist. but maybe if we made an
> > > > > education we could clarify around pooling funds to pay one or more
> > > > > specialists :s
> > > >
> > > > it is likely also possible to recover from these through dedicated
> > > > independent study. it's just very hard for me to engage scheduled
> > > > behavior.
> >
> > the influences have spent a lot of energy bringing our family together
> > but we don't know each other well, we don't have shared vocabular to
> > connect around these things. we didn't listen to or notice each other
> > much. we love each other though
>
> i'm gravely depressed, so the cheer is good. it helps more than my worries do.

it's nice to put a label on 'todo' that says "we need to do the right
thing to do"; that is the reason indeed for todo

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