> > > > > > > > > > > What would help comfort these fears?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have wrong thoughts sometimes. I think todo lists are 
> > > > > > > > > > still needed,
> > > > > > > > > > but maybe our world is so capable that they aren't. Maybe 
> > > > > > > > > > it's more
> > > > > > > > > > important why I have wrong thoughts. Although there are a 
> > > > > > > > > > handful of
> > > > > > > > > > explanations, it's concerning that something mysterious may 
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > stimulated the wrong thoughts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What seems more concerning is maybe that acting on that isn't 
> > > > > > > > > happening.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Karl's todo list (don't expect these things to happen!):
> > > > > > > > > - [ ] make highly secure shielded rooms accessible to 
> > > > > > > > > everyone including him
> > > > > > > > We need to be safe from where-ever our "behavior modification 
> > > > > > > > built"
> > > > > > > > habits came from.
> > > > > > > > This means getting off the internet. Highly advanced digital 
> > > > > > > > security
> > > > > > > > is much better.
> > > > > > > > > - [ ] make treatment for severe abuse symptoms accessible to 
> > > > > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > including him
> > > > > > > > > - [... etc, tech-and-nature-focused
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But talking about that appropriately might not have been 
> > > > > > > > reaching
> > > > > > > > Todo. We kept on building and researching ... but need to 
> > > > > > > > protect
> > > > > > > > ourself better.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Karl, because somebody is still actively harming you, whatever and
> > > > > > > regardless of what you do, we need a todo list that prioritizes 
> > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > us personally more and more safe from things that would try to 
> > > > > > > change
> > > > > > > our decisions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also protecting your family.
> > > > >
> > > > > This has been a conflict for a long time but we've maybe finally
> > > > > learned enough about it to sort a little bit of it out.
> > > > >
> > > > > We need to go offline, not use devices, not interact with people who
> > > > > use devices, etc. Does it not work?
> > > > >
> > > > > [demands don't quite work ... options work
> > > >
> > > > I'm of course okay with things that are good ideas. I was prioritizing
> > > > myself or strangers because I don't have a solution that reaches
> > > > safety. One of the influences could be that people I communicate with
> > > > are influenced to resist what I recommend. If you were on board with
> > > > recommending it, it would be clearer, it could work better. We'd have
> > > > to be a little careful. It's hard to relate about the problems
> > > > accurately; my strategy was instead to retain strategies that could
> > > > reduce them.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how to influence my family to get offline and mistrust
> > > strangers and other unplanned events (from being influenced to express
> > > in harsh ways).
> > >
> > > But maybe we could put together a little educational whizzick that
> > > would help with that.
> >
> > [hard. so, i might recommend we move into a cave in radio quiet zone.
> > because we don't understand the problem and it offers a reasonable
> > degree of information isolation. but i formed my recommendations not
> > planning for my family who are used to industry and
> > telecommunications. honestly, the todo list is very corrupt. but it's
> > nice to feel better a little
>
> the problem is that i don't know what works, and when working with
> others we trigger each other. recent learning implies most people have
> programmed alters, not built from trauma but rather from other things
> we'd have to approach that situation very carefully, like group-DID,
> to work together with full rationality
> but th

in the end, though, i see that something has influenced my choices,
and that's maybe what's important.
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