> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we watched part of start of OA again with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonconsenting person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's charged energy around similarities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and differences between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA's experience, our experience, and possibly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other experiences we've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong energy around miscasting of these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in ways that can create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics inside me or alter my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience of identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes to more effectively destroy people's lives, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enslave them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > massively, and amplify and spread any such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existing operations. this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is something called an "introject", an alter that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behaves like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpatrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things are quite strong here so it's hard to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navigate to answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question requests. it basically lands in poor areas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i think there's agreement that making a movie is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a great thing, > > > > > > > > > > > > > very inspiring and empowering. really tells the right > > > > > > > > > > > > > story, > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating an ability to do that at all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that something clearly nonfictional would be > > > > > > > > > > > > more empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changeness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 difference focused > > > > > > > > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe transcended giving up and is in > > > > > > > > > > a different > > > > > > > > > > space in the first episode, which more reminds karl of over > > > > > > > > > > a decade > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to where experimentee says forced to choose to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA > > > > > > > > needed to > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in > > > > > > > > dissociative > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual > > > > > > > > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only a handful of professionals whose job it is to > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > understand what the OA is experiencing and has experienced and > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > her recover, and that is one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But pleasantly the show does continue to show empathic > > > > > > > > relation, which > > > > > > > > is rare and hard and takes precise avenues because of > > > > > > > > traumatically > > > > > > > > trained silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not karl's only mistake by far. > > > > > > > here it sounds like karl means "any communication at all" by > > > > > > > "empathic > > > > > > > relation" whereas "empathic relation" in normal communities means > > > > > > > "shared understanding" > > > > > > > maybe the show is supposed to build that later > > > > > > > > > > > > oops about larger/other thing, not immediately quoted thing > > > > > > > > > > expressed diverse pensation around trafficking vulnerable people like > > > > > escapees more > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA needed to > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in dissociative > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual abuse. > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what I'm experiencing here. > > > Concepts: > > > - I think I originally saw the OA prior to my exposure to extreme trauma. > > > > remainig concepts might not be helpful unsure, hear could be > > unexpected integration reducing something valued or something > > > > > - I think I might have heard that the OA could be related to a true > > > story, I don't really know. > > > - There are a _lot_ of true stories, they are _very_ intense and novel > > > and most have _not_ been made into movies > > > - My mcboss stories are _not_ true > > > - I do have a true story that is _different_ from the mcboss stories > > > - A lot of people have written books/autobiographies although most of > > > these are the less extreme things that are easier to think clearly > > > about and stimulate less serious danger to publish about > > sorries T_T wishing well
ok to try to bring back from dead, i think you were saying that we need to do anything we can to let these tortured-to-death stories live? and ... you can tell there's something here, around me and the mcboss stories and the OA and my brief shoulder-rubbing with survivors, researchers, and therapists ... where this could happen more or better. maybe something almost obvious that hasn't been said yet.
