> > > > > > > > > > > we watched part of start of OA again with nonconsenting 
> > > > > > > > > > > person.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > there's charged energy around similarities and 
> > > > > > > > > > > differences between
> > > > > > > > > > > OA's experience, our experience, and possibly other 
> > > > > > > > > > > experiences we've
> > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to.
> > > > > > > > > > > very strong energy around miscasting of these in ways 
> > > > > > > > > > > that can create
> > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics inside me or alter my experience of 
> > > > > > > > > > > identity
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick 
> > > > > > > > > > people based
> > > > > > > > > > on the information :/
> > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick 
> > > > > > > > > > people based
> > > > > > > > > > on the information :/
> > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how to better traffick 
> > > > > > > > > > people based
> > > > > > > > > > on the information :/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yes to more effectively destroy people's lives, enslave them
> > > > > > > > > massively, and amplify and spread any such existing 
> > > > > > > > > operations. this
> > > > > > > > > is something called an "introject", an alter that behaves 
> > > > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > perpatrator.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > things are quite strong here so it's hard to navigate to answer
> > > > > > > > question requests. it basically lands in poor areas :\
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but i think there's agreement that making a movie is a great 
> > > > > > > thing,
> > > > > > > very inspiring and empowering. really tells the right story,
> > > > > > > demonstrating an ability to do that at all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's true that something clearly nonfictional would be more 
> > > > > > empowering.
> > > > >
> > > > > changeness
> > > >
> > > > 1 difference focused
> > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe transcended giving up and is in a different
> > > > space in the first episode, which more reminds karl of over a decade
> > > > ago
> > >
> > > similar to where experimentee says forced to choose to die
> >
> > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA needed to
> > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in dissociative
> > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual abuse.
> >
> > There are only a handful of professionals whose job it is to both
> > understand what the OA is experiencing and has experienced and help
> > her recover, and that is one of them.
> >
> > But pleasantly the show does continue to show empathic relation, which
> > is rare and hard and takes precise avenues because of traumatically
> > trained silence.
>
> this is not karl's only mistake by far.
> here it sounds like karl means "any communication at all" by "empathic
> relation" whereas "empathic relation" in normal communities means
> "shared understanding"
> maybe the show is supposed to build that later

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