> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we watched part of start of OA again > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with nonconsenting person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's charged energy around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similarities and differences between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OA's experience, our experience, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibly other experiences we've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been exposed to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong energy around miscasting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of these in ways that can create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power dynamics inside me or alter my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience of identity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part of us is trying to figure out how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to better traffick people based > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on the information :/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes to more effectively destroy people's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lives, enslave them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > massively, and amplify and spread any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such existing operations. this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is something called an "introject", an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alter that behaves like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perpatrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things are quite strong here so it's hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to navigate to answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question requests. it basically lands in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poor areas :\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i think there's agreement that making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movie is a great thing, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very inspiring and empowering. really tells > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the right story, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrating an ability to do that at all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's true that something clearly nonfictional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be more empowering. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changeness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 difference focused > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karl gave up; the OA maybe transcended giving up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is in a different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > space in the first episode, which more reminds karl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of over a decade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to where experimentee says forced to choose > > > > > > > > > > > > > to die > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that > > > > > > > > > > > > the OA needed to > > > > > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in > > > > > > > > > > > > dissociative > > > > > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating > > > > > > > > > > > > ritual abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are only a handful of professionals whose job it > > > > > > > > > > > > is to both > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what the OA is experiencing and has > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced and help > > > > > > > > > > > > her recover, and that is one of them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But pleasantly the show does continue to show empathic > > > > > > > > > > > > relation, which > > > > > > > > > > > > is rare and hard and takes precise avenues because of > > > > > > > > > > > > traumatically > > > > > > > > > > > > trained silence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not karl's only mistake by far. > > > > > > > > > > > here it sounds like karl means "any communication at all" > > > > > > > > > > > by "empathic > > > > > > > > > > > relation" whereas "empathic relation" in normal > > > > > > > > > > > communities means > > > > > > > > > > > "shared understanding" > > > > > > > > > > > maybe the show is supposed to build that later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oops about larger/other thing, not immediately quoted thing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expressed diverse pensation around trafficking vulnerable > > > > > > > > > people like > > > > > > > > > escapees more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe in summary we'd like to repeatedly express that the OA > > > > > > > > needed to > > > > > > > > be brought to a relational therapist specializing in > > > > > > > > dissociative > > > > > > > > identity disorder with successful experience treating ritual > > > > > > > > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not quite sure what I'm experiencing here. > > > > > > > Concepts: > > > > > > > - I think I originally saw the OA prior to my exposure to extreme > > > > > > > trauma. > > > > > > > > > > > > remainig concepts might not be helpful unsure, hear could be > > > > > > unexpected integration reducing something valued or something > > > > > > > > > > > > > - I think I might have heard that the OA could be related to a > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > story, I don't really know. > > > > > > > - There are a _lot_ of true stories, they are _very_ intense and > > > > > > > novel > > > > > > > and most have _not_ been made into movies > > > > > > > - My mcboss stories are _not_ true > > > > > > > - I do have a true story that is _different_ from the mcboss > > > > > > > stories > > > > > > > - A lot of people have written books/autobiographies although > > > > > > > most of > > > > > > > these are the less extreme things that are easier to think clearly > > > > > > > about and stimulate less serious danger to publish about > > > > > > > > > > sorries T_T wishing well > > > > > > > > ok to try to bring back from dead, i think you were saying that we > > > > need to do anything we can to let these tortured-to-death stories > > > > live? > > > > > > > > and ... you can tell there's something here, around me and the mcboss > > > > stories and the OA and my brief shoulder-rubbing with survivors, > > > > researchers, and therapists ... where this could happen more or > > > > better. maybe something almost obvious that hasn't been said yet. > > > > > > sorry! not me and the mcboss stories. me and the two stories that are > > > encrypted into the mcboss storie-- > > > > you mean about my story, where i am a wealthy industrialist who took > > over the world with slavery for personal glory :D > > > > ... uhh oops > > no! you mean my real story. you mean i went through something real > that i can barely think about, and you are working with part of me > exposed to it, and i am writing with this part my story working around > my experiences by pretending to be a slave boss? ... or something? > > you just mean the story i'm sharing. let's pretend i'm sharing a > story. i guess i am, i squeeze a lot of stuff in there amidst the > misinformation
i'm not being very helpful with that i am guessing. how about this other view: something is not said about the OA, don't i want to say this thing that isn't said? this thing I would know from my own experience (maybe similar to others')?
